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  • TrueTorontoFan
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    golden wrote: View Post
    Yep. Back to Raptors off-season:


    man that was some nastiness

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  • Quirk
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    Demographic Shift wrote: View Post
    If you wish to engage in a debate in a public forum be prepared to debate your point of view without whinning about it via a third party.
    I don't wish to engage in a "debate" with you here, I have better places for discussion and know far smarter people. Basketball please.

    Edit: and that list of sites was not for you, but for serious people with genuine interests, not propaganda clowns.
    Last edited by Quirk; Today, 05:57 AM.

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  • Demographic Shift
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    Quirk wrote: View Post

    Just leave it man, he's stoned on propaganda, r/Sino has extensive citations and backs up their work clearly. Westerners are programmed to ignore it, will always reject it out of hand no matter what. The official enemies of their masters will always be despotic, cruel, mad man, barely human, just as the propaganda says, same as it ever was.

    Stick with basketball please. Or take it to that other forum here where dumb people can debate politics.

    edit: here are some other good political sources for serious people:

    - https://thetricontinental.org/
    - https://peoplesdispatch.org/
    - https://www.qiaocollective.com/
    - https://progressive.international/
    -
    https://www.newsclick.in/
    - https://blackagendareport.com/
    - https://www.blackpowermedia.org/


    Again, take it or leave it, don't @ me

    Thanks.
    You forgot Western Whiteness ...
    If you wish to engage in a debate in a public forum be prepared to debate your point of view without whinning about it via a third party.
    As the Kagemusher says.. there are two sides to any story.
    I just don't find the CCP's side of the story to be particularly compelling or containing much in the way of veracity.
    Quite the listing of activist blog sites you have listed there ...
    Carry on.




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  • Demographic Shift
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    TrueTorontoFan wrote: View Post

    .... the ball brothers... go look up how often Lonzo has played since he was drafted.
    Not often... but the kid has it....

    The younger ball, LaMello is a star in waiting in a smaller market.... This one is LA bound as soon as he can.

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  • golden
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    Yep. Back to Raptors off-season:



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  • Demographic Shift
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    Kagemusha wrote: View Post

    What's credible to you?

    CNN?
    Fox?

    The US government?
    Pelosi stating that China is one of the freeist societies in the world?
    Biden blaming Putin for America's problems right now?

    There's always two sides to every story.
    Always.
    If you read the Canadian press regularly you might soon come to the conclusion that the country is populated by raving genocidal maniacs.
    Yet it is not.


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  • Demographic Shift
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    golden wrote: View Post

    Ah, Demo.... you're falling into the classic debating trap called "what about'ism", which implies that you can't do anything for anybody unless you're doing everything for everybody. But what about ______ ?

    Well... I think the old adage should apply here: "charity begins at home". Fix problems in your own house, affecting your own people in your own backyard. Could the NBA be taking a stronger stand on China? Absolutely. So could you and I.

    And like I said... Xi's biggest enablers aren't the NBA. The NBA is actually siphoning power (i.e. cash) away from him. Xi's biggest enablers are you and I... via Amazon, Walmart, Costco, Home Depot, etc... I don't see any large scale protests against those companies. Those stores are packed to the gills these days, since things opened up.

    You are calling out the NBA over China, but have you stopped buying products from China? Do you even check the label anymore?

    I'm throwing that "What about'ism right back at you." Criticizing the NBA on China, but then buying products from Xi? Isn't that also a form of sucking and blowing?
    It would appear you have no rebuttal other than to meld together some incongruous streams of thought around whataboutism and that somehow the NBA gets a mulligan and should be immune from criticism on a very apparent double standard.

    Chinas economy is estimated to be at or near 20 trillion dollars... The NBA swallowed their pride for 500M in merch revenues.
    Its less than 1/1000 of a percent. They wouldn't notice. What they did notice was being called out for some pretty Stalin and Moa like gulags and re-education camps. For that 500M... Adam Silver and the NBA looked away.

    Time to get back to ball.....
    Last edited by Demographic Shift; Yesterday, 08:44 PM.

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  • TrueTorontoFan
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    Demographic Shift wrote: View Post

    Thank goodness.
    Lebron has hung on far to long....

    The new faces of the NBA are about to get their chance... .The guys you mentioned... Morant... Young...and others like Luka... Tatum and Brown....The Ball brothers....
    .... the ball brothers... go look up how often Lonzo has played since he was drafted.

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  • Kagemusha
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    I agree.
    Let's go back to basketball folks.

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  • Quirk
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    Kagemusha wrote: View Post
    What's credible to you?
    Just leave it man, he's stoned on propaganda, r/Sino has extensive citations and backs up their work clearly. Westerners are programmed to ignore it, will always reject it out of hand no matter what. The official enemies of their masters will always be despotic, cruel, mad man, barely human, just as the propaganda says, same as it ever was.

    Stick with basketball please. Or take it to that other forum here where dumb people can debate politics.

    edit: here are some other good political sources for serious people:

    - https://thetricontinental.org/
    - https://peoplesdispatch.org/
    - https://www.qiaocollective.com/
    - https://progressive.international/
    -
    https://www.newsclick.in/
    - https://blackagendareport.com/
    - https://www.blackpowermedia.org/


    Again, take it or leave it, don't @ me

    Thanks.
    Last edited by Quirk; Yesterday, 03:20 PM.

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  • Kagemusha
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    Demographic Shift wrote: View Post

    Reddit ?
    A compilation of blogger hot takes as a credible news source ?
    C'mon man.

    Your right its off topic. I can't help it. Its a medical condition. I am allergic to bullshit.
    What's credible to you?

    CNN?
    Fox?

    The US government?
    Pelosi stating that China is one of the freeist societies in the world?
    Biden blaming Putin for America's problems right now?

    There's always two sides to every story.
    Last edited by Kagemusha; Yesterday, 02:33 PM.

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  • golden
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    Demographic Shift wrote: View Post

    And those two themes.... the very visible commitment the NBA made to bring the focus that only sports can bring to step up on changing how policing materially differs based on skin colour .....compared to the "look the other way and remain silent approach" when the the same egregious acts of state force are levied against elements visible minorities that the Chinese state deems to be acceptable when big money was at risk. Its not as if CCP human rights practices are something new,

    The NBA perfected the art of breathing in and out simultaneously on this one.
    Ah, Demo.... you're falling into the classic debating trap called "what about'ism", which implies that you can't do anything for anybody unless you're doing everything for everybody. But what about ______ ?

    Well... I think the old adage should apply here: "charity begins at home". Fix problems in your own house, affecting your own people in your own backyard. Could the NBA be taking a stronger stand on China? Absolutely. So could you and I.

    And like I said... Xi's biggest enablers aren't the NBA. The NBA is actually siphoning power (i.e. cash) away from him. Xi's biggest enablers are you and I... via Amazon, Walmart, Costco, Home Depot, etc... I don't see any large scale protests against those companies. Those stores are packed to the gills these days, since things opened up.

    You are calling out the NBA over China, but have you stopped buying products from China? Do you even check the label anymore?

    I'm throwing that "What about'ism right back at you." Criticizing the NBA on China, but then buying products from Xi? Isn't that also a form of sucking and blowing?
    Last edited by golden; Yesterday, 03:18 PM.

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  • Demographic Shift
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    LJ2 wrote: View Post
    They are starting to promote the young players more as the LeBron era fades. Ja and Trae get a lot of attention as does Luka. Zion has to be playing to get attention and he hasn't been able to do that. Scottie's draft class hasn't proved anything yet but will be up next.
    Thank goodness.
    Lebron has hung on far to long....

    The new faces of the NBA are about to get their chance... .The guys you mentioned... Morant... Young...and others like Luka... Tatum and Brown....The Ball brothers....

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  • Demographic Shift
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    golden wrote: View Post

    No doubt social justice and business is indeed a slippery slope… where do you draw the line? It’s literally endless. I mean, have you or I stopped buying products from China? Look in the mirror. That’s where Xi’s power is really coming from: Our wallets. If anything, the NBA is bringing some of our capital back to North America and putting it in friendly (albeit greedy) hands.

    But it’s easy to understand why the NBA would take a stand on police brutality against young black men. That’s a no brainer issue to rally behind, given the demographics of the players.
    And those two themes.... the very visible commitment the NBA made to bring the focus that only sports can bring to step up on changing how policing materially differs based on skin colour .....compared to the "look the other way and remain silent approach" when the the same egregious acts of state force are levied against elements visible minorities that the Chinese state deems to be acceptable when big money was at risk. Its not as if CCP human rights practices are something new,

    The NBA perfected the art of breathing in and out simultaneously on this one.


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