The Raptors and KD. Let's discuss.

[TrueTorontoFan]

That trade absolutely sucks for the Nets.

yup they get largely older and worse players minus BAM unless they are super high on bam.. in which case miami would just keep him.

[Primer]

yup they get largely older and worse players minus BAM unless they are super high on bam.. in which case miami would just keep him.

It assumes Ben Simmons has negative value which is not the case. Because then you're trading Simmons for Lowry and Robinson which is a dogshit return. (sorry Lowry).

[planetmars]

That trade absolutely sucks for the Nets.

Every trade sucks for the Nets.

But if they want two young players, getting Bam and Herro is likely beating a lot of offers. Plus who knows if Simmons can even play. That's a bad contract right now, potentially worse than Lowry's or Robinson's. At least those two will play games.

[Primer]

Every trade sucks for the Nets.

But if they want two young players, getting Bam and Herro is likely beating a lot of offers. Plus who knows if Simmons can even play. That's a bad contract right now, potentially worse than Lowry's or Robinson's. At least those two will play games.

Yeah so you're assuming Simmons has negative value. I disagree big time.

Bam plus Herro is a good return for KD. Not KD plus Simmons.

Nets would be way better off with OG plus Trent to pair with Simmons.

[planetmars]

Yeah so you're assuming Simmons has negative value. I disagree big time.

Bam plus Herro is a good return for KD. Not KD plus Simmons.

Nets would be way better off with OG plus Trent to pair with Simmons.

I'd take that Miami offer over Toronto's. I can't find a single team right now that would want Simmons and his contract. I mean Philly tried to trade him all year, and ended up sending him to Brooklyn when Harden wanted out. Plus Simmons value is even worse than it was with Philly. He was not playing all season, and then hurt his back? It's a super risky contract to trade for. I think Kyrie is easier to trade for since it's only for one season and Kyrie is far more of a nut case.

[TrueTorontoFan]

It assumes Ben Simmons has negative value which is not the case. Because then you're trading Simmons for Lowry and Robinson which is a dogshit return. (sorry Lowry).

I don't think he has negative value... but I do think he is a complete unknown given his back issues and mental health.... that said yeah its not a good return for brooklyn its a massive downgrade unless they are THAT THAT THAT high on Bam. Like you said I would think that OG and trent and picks is better.

[Primer]

I'd take that Miami offer over Toronto's. I can't find a single team right now that would want Simmons and his contract. I mean Philly tried to trade him all year, and ended up sending him to Brooklyn when Harden wanted out. Plus Simmons value is even worse than it was with Philly. He was not playing all season, and then hurt his back? It's a super risky contract to trade for. I think Kyrie is easier to trade for since it's only for one season and Kyrie is far more of a nut case.

If Simmons plays he's much better than Bam and Herro. You'd have to be a moron to trade him right now for what amounts to Lowry and Robinson since Herro and Bam is the return for KD.

Nets aren't trying to trade Simmons. Wisely so.

[Mapko]

I think this narrative is getting leaked out there for leverage purposes. It appears feable. Everyone knows that KD has had it with this Nets management.

And I'm sure fillings are mutual.

[Mapko]

If Masai was offering more than what you've outlined above, KD would probably already be a Raptor. No way he's giving up 3 of our starters plus all those picks for KD. At least not for KD alone.

Amen. And its not just 2 starters & 3 picks. Some rumblings, 2 starters and 4-7 unprotected FRPs & swaps. Hell no.

[A.I]

Nets shouldn't trade Simmons when he hasn't played a game in over a year. Have him play, build his value back up then decide if you want to trade or keep him.

[planetmars]

Nets shouldn't trade Simmons when he hasn't played a game in over a year. Have him play, build his value back up then decide if you want to trade or keep him.

But if the Nets want someone like Bam or Mitchell the only option is to move Ben now. Otherwise their best package for KD will be a bunch of role players and in that case I could see why the Nets would prefer to just try and persuade KD to come back.

[guyroch]

I was thinking how different the NHL is to the NBA .. You don't hear Austin Mathews who maybe superstar status right now say anything about who
he wants to be signed ? He was buddy with two of the past goalies and the Leafs just made his buddies walk .

[TrueTorontoFan]

But if the Nets want someone like Bam or Mitchell the only option is to move Ben now. Otherwise their best package for KD will be a bunch of role players and in that case I could see why the Nets would prefer to just try and persuade KD to come back.

It's too much of a risk to the heat and too much of downgrade for bam. Mitchell makes no sense for the nets given that they have no picks to give up. OTHERWISE i'd say sure.

[DanH]

The Heat also have slightly fewer picks they can trade with a 2025 1st already traded. It's protected too, so they'd need to renegotiate to remove those protections to be able to move their other firsts.

[DanH]

I do agree in any case that the return from the Heat is pretty bad even in that scenario where they take Simmons. Do the Nets really want to kick off their retool (?) by trading not one but all three of their "core" for either subpar or negative return?