The Raptors and KD. Let's discuss.

[The Great One]

according to this nets blog post, frank isola heard that our offer was siakam, OG, and four first round picks.



which conflicts with previous reporting (i think from windhorst?) that the raptors hadn't offered the maximum draft capital, and seems steeper than i would have guessed we'd be willing to go. it's definitely much steeper than i'd want them to go

it also seems unlikely the nets would get a better offer than that, so if it were really on the table either a deal would be done already or a deal is never getting done

Well, that's better than "my' best offer which was Siakam, Trent + four unprotected 1st. If the Nets really turned down Siakam, OG + multiple 1st then fugget about it.

My stance about this has not changed. I'm not trading Scottie. He's off limits as far as I'm concerned. And I'm not trading two of Siakam, OG, FVV.

Let the Nets keep KD. An unhappy superstar who's 34 years old and has to rely on Kyrie Irving to be his partner in crime. What could go wrong right?

[Shredder]

I feel like it's a Net's leak to publicly try to negotiate, with not only the Raptors, but all the rest of the teams testing the waters. Maybe that brings another team into the mix and potentially ups the Raptors offer.

There is no way 1. that offer was on the table. and 2 that offer wasn't received. With the suns all but out of the works, I don't see offers getting better.

[TrueTorontoFan]

I feel like it's a Net's leak to publicly try to negotiate, with not only the Raptors, but all the rest of the teams testing the waters. Maybe that brings another team into the mix and potentially ups the Raptors offer.

There is no way 1. that offer was on the table. and 2 that offer wasn't received. With the suns all but out of the works, I don't see offers getting better.

this is exactly what they have attempted to do since the beginning but it hasn't worked out well for them.

[slaw]

I feel like it's a Net's leak to publicly try to negotiate, with not only the Raptors, but all the rest of the teams testing the waters. Maybe that brings another team into the mix and potentially ups the Raptors offer.

There is no way 1. that offer was on the table. and 2 that offer wasn't received. With the suns all but out of the works, I don't see offers getting better.

Except I'm not sure that this actually helps the Nets. How many teams can offer a two time all-NBA player and a very good- forward both of whom can guard 1 through 5, plus 4 firsts. If anything, it seems this would dissuade most teams from even bothering.

As for this specific deal, that Brooklyn team would maybe be better than Toronto? Siakam, Simmons, OG, Harris, Irving, Curry.... like that's pretty good group and not clear that Durant/Barnes/FVV/Precious/Trent/Porter/Boucher is that much better. The latter is definitely not a championship contender in year 1 in my view.

[TrueTorontoFan]

Well, that's better than "my' best offer which was Siakam, Trent + four unprotected 1st. If the Nets really turned down Siakam, OG + multiple 1st then fugget about it.

My stance about this has not changed. I'm not trading Scottie. He's off limits as far as I'm concerned. And I'm not trading two of Siakam, OG, FVV.

Let the Nets keep KD. An unhappy superstar who's 34 years old and has to rely on Kyrie Irving to be his partner in crime. What could go wrong right?

My initial idea was to max out at FVV and OG... Having thought this one through and talked to a more... reasonable nets fan recently. I would argue that FVV and Trent or OG and Trent should be enough to get it done if the pick equity is fair. With OG and Trent the question is... would you toss in precious? For me, that would be tough, they would have to come down on the pick ask and accept two picks.


FVV and Trent fits more reasonably in terms of salary. OG and Trent you end up being a bit short to make the salary work neatly. I am sure some would prefer to keep FVV but KD would offer an upgrade on both offensively... while also offering a slight downgrade on FVV's defence. Att he same time KD would be a massive upgrade defensively over GTJ.

The main issue and sticking point may come down to pick equity because without a ton of picks it gets hard to maintain your bench. You may beable to maintain a top 4-6 players throughout those years but it will be the bench pieces that remain tough to maintain. For example Otto is a great bench piece.. he would maybe stay for ONE year or maybe not... but the issue comes with boucher and others as you try to build out that bench to sustain multiple title runs. That is where having a pick or TWO can help during a season .... because then you have a team where it makes a ton more sense getting a .... eric gordon.... You will also potentially need to draft well as possible with those seconds to maintain a core group moving forward after durant. There is a very good chance that if you get Durant and keep Scottie and Pascal, that in 4 years time pascal + fred ... one of the two will potentially leave or at the very least need or want effective bench help similar to golden state. We basically need to build a team that resembles current golden state but build it now where you have top line talent that can compete but you have at least one or two prospects (I don't count wiseman in this) who can either be traded in the future (I think thats a bad idea) or more importantly eventually grab the baton as it is passed to them. The idea is to build a team where the transition from this current iteration and era of 3-4 years is seamless. Scottie is obviously scottie but the league is so good so even an MVP can't do it all himself.



I can wrap my head around the loss of OG for sure not that I would love it but I can understand and get there.

I think Fred as an outgoing piece can be talked into BECAUSE of how the media has hyped him up as this big time leader so you can argue with brooklyn that his loss is too much to bear without them coming down in asking price pick wise or something of that nature. In that type of negotiation you can't show your cards early you need to get close on OG and Trent and then do the switcheroo.

[TrueTorontoFan]

Except I'm not sure that this actually helps the Nets. How many teams can offer a two time all-NBA player and a very good- forward both of whom can guard 1 through 5, plus 4 firsts. If anything, it seems this would dissuade most teams from even bothering.

As for this specific deal, that Brooklyn team would maybe be better than Toronto? Siakam, Simmons, OG, Harris, Irving, Curry.... like that's pretty good group and not clear that Durant/Barnes/FVV/Precious/Trent/Porter/Boucher is that much better. The latter is definitely not a championship contender in year 1 in my view.

it doesn't help them..... same as asking for kat and ant... they are both trying to get as much as possible by playing hardball but also floating out ... ridiculous asks in the hopes the situation works itself out... but when a situation like this one specifically has happened...even if it gets "better" it is never the same again

[slaw]

it doesn't help them..... same as asking for kat and ant... they are both trying to get as much as possible by playing hardball but also floating out ... ridiculous asks in the hopes the situation works itself out... but when a situation like this one specifically has happened...even if it gets "better" it is never the same again

And this isn't like selling an asset like oil reserves, for example. The price may very well go up if you wait a year but Durant is a depreciating asset, plus, he's starting to have injuries and if he gets injured again you aren't going to be able to give him away.

Look, if it was just about draft picks then waiting it out for one more first rounder could very well happen but if the Nets are looking for multiple all star level players back then they aren't getting that no matter how long they wait.

[planetmars]

Is Isola a mouth piece for the Nets? I don't ever remember him breaking a story. I just can't see the Raptors offering that much for KD. I don't think Masai cares that KD is 34 and sees that he's a legit superstar. But I never understood why we'd want to give up Pascal to get him. KD will need a legit #2 here, and Fred is just not that guy in my opinion. And Scottie is still really young.

[TrueTorontoFan]

And this isn't like selling an asset like oil reserves, for example. The price may very well go up if you wait a year but Durant is a depreciating asset, plus, he's starting to have injuries and if he gets injured again you aren't going to be able to give him away.

Look, if it was just about draft picks then waiting it out for one more first rounder could very well happen but if the Nets are looking for multiple all star level players back then they aren't getting that no matter how long they wait.

The price won't go up because of his age ... if he was even 31 .... or 27/28... yeah you take the bet... that is why ppl talk themselves into Ben Simmons.


It isn't just about draft picks... its just they are asking for something that will not happen from anyone... and their expectations and the market realities will eventually align... will they align in time for them to get something of value? perhaps but them waiting an entire year will will not mean they will get more for KD unless KD wins a chip... If they struggle with their chemistry and get bounced in the first round to Boston, or a bunch of other teams even if its because of injuries... his stock will take a massive hit.because of perception and how that effects players narratives.

[TrueTorontoFan]

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the circus is still on going

[GOLDBLUM]

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the circus is still on going

Also from the circus today, from Woj:

”Toronto doesn't want to part with Scottie Barnes. That's their stance," Wojnarowski said. "Brooklyn right now wouldn't consider a deal without Scottie Barnes."

[Hotshot]

Nets are still leaking to the media that its Scottie Barnes is who they want in a KD trade.

I am getting tired of this saga, can we move on?! I would hate for this to be still lingering before training camp.

[LJ2]

I saw a clip somewhere yesterday of KD shooting hoops in a gym in Portland. Doesn't mean anything of course but Portland was also one of the places KD has been linked to as a trade destination. Can't really picture what their trade offer would look like but would probably include Anfernee Simmons, Shaedon Sharpe and a bunch of picks. Maybe Ingles to balance the contracts?

Nets get a couple of young studs and picks and send KD out West. Portland puts a team that can (maybe) contend with the best in the West.

Dame
Payton/Hart
Grant
KD
Nurkic

[Shredder]

The WOJ bomb of Toronto not trading Barnes for KD, and Brooklyn won't trade KD to Toronto without Barnes included, just told me that we are not getting KD.

Masai won't be fleeced.

Brooklyn is looking to do, what was done to them in the Boston trade years ago. I get that, I would try if I was them as well. Someone might bite. That someone is probably not us then.

A two year-ish window to win with KD, is not worth loosing a potential franchise player, in his second year. Especially considering Barnes intangibles and also his seemed love for our city. A city where we have yet to retain/sign a super star player. This would be a short sighted move, that historically is not a Masai move.

Run it back with our young core. Wait for them to lower their price (substantially) or wait for the next disgruntled star who is looking for a fresh start. But not a star at the tail end of their career, from a team over-inflating his worth. (Don't get me wrong, KD is an amazing player, and his game will age well. What he is not is worth the rookie of the year, two other starters (to make the money work) and a bunch of picks)

KD is 34 Scottie is 20. You would be potentially trading 14 years of Scottie (assuming he sticked around and progressed the way he is looking to) for 2-4 years of KD. That's also assuming KD doesn't pull the same stunt here, that if he did would all but guarantee that the next trade would not be even close to what we would have to give up to get him.

I think, considering the asking price, Brooklyn will probably start the season with KD on the team. I can't see that going well, especially if Kyrie is still there too. Then the price goes way down. There is no reason we need to rush into their timeline.

[Primer]

Nets are still leaking to the media that its Scottie Barnes is who they want in a KD trade.

I am getting tired of this saga, can we move on?! I would hate for this to be still lingering before training camp.

It's certainly looking like it will linger that long. I could see things being very awkward and tense at Nets training camp, maybe KD refuses to report, and then things will heat up again.

We are set anyways so doesn't make a difference for our team. But if you were wanting this thread to stop getting action then I think you're gonna be disappointed.