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The Claw Reborn wrote: View Post
I have a feeling that this is the actual offer without OG in and obviously no Siakam and of course Scottie.
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DanH wrote: View PostI do think the idea that FVV may be in a KD deal is interesting. I can't see why the Nets would want that, but the absolute dream scenario for the Raptors, ...
I could see Fred being enticing for that reason. I think they would want at least Fred OG and picks though.
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golden wrote: View Post
And exactly how are the Nets going to help Simmons "get his head right"? Is that even doable? And can you really build around a PG without a jump shot in the modern NBA?
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Primer wrote: View Post
Kiss his bum bum and tell him he's the best. Treat him like the big baby he is and keep him happy. It can be done, he was super freaking good in Philly before the shit hit the fan after the playoff series failure.
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golden wrote: View Post
And exactly how are the Nets going to help Simmons "get his head right"? Is that even doable? And can you really build around a PG without a jump shot in the modern NBA?
Finally, there is a place for a near seven foot point guard who can guard every player on the floor but struggles with shooting the ball. Also, he might continue to improve? He's only 25, he's practically just starting his career and hopefully this whole thing was a big piece of humble pie for him because he clearly had some maturity issues in the past.
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Apollo wrote: View Post
They can help him by supporting him in various ways. He needs to work through his problems himself but to have a supportive environment is important. Clearly he doesn't appreciate a combative fan base and GM. Him overcoming the mental challenges is very doable though in this new location. This is a man with almost unlimited resources and the top professionals available to him. I think you will see the old Ben Simmons at the start of the season, one with a chip on his shoulders.
Finally, there is a place for a near seven foot point guard who can guard every player on the floor but struggles with shooting the ball. Also, he might continue to improve? He's only 25, he's practically just starting his career and hopefully this whole thing was a big piece of humble pie for him because he clearly had some maturity issues in the past.
I mean, is the Ben squeeze really worth the juice? And how long is that process going to take? It's not like a physical injury.... there's really no set timeline for fixing lifelong habits and mental issues. When things get tough, Simmons turtles. That's well documented. Not sure how you fix that.
A moot point, because Nets have no choice but to wait it out, since his trade value is so low. We'll see.
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I refuse to believe that the Nets would make a serious attempt to build around Ben Simmons. That has to be a complete waste of time. Rebuilding his value is the best they can hope for and maybe recoup some assets. If that isn't their goal, then good luck to them.
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golden wrote: View Post
Nothing to do with recency bias. You can't have any 2 of these players (including Simmons) on your team, because of the Designated Rookie exception rule. These are the guys that the Nets want, especially Booker and Bam, if it's a Suns or Heat deal. If Simmons isn't on the Nets, then it opens up more trade possibilities and teams to participate.
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golden wrote: View Post
Totally agree... coddling Simmons might get you back to a 50-win team, especially if there's another Embiid level superstar on the roster. But, it will be hard to be a serious contender if Simmons is your lead guy (i.e. building around him). You need mental toughness to compete for championships. And that also requires buy-in from his teammates to accept him as the guy the franchise is building around.... and we saw how that went.
I mean, is the Ben squeeze really worth the juice? And how long is that process going to take? It's not like a physical injury.... there's really no set timeline for fixing lifelong habits and mental issues. When things get tough, Simmons turtles. That's well documented. Not sure how you fix that.
A moot point, because Nets have no choice but to wait it out, since his trade value is so low. We'll see.
Either way, I think you're getting too caught up on this building around him idea. If a team builds out a roster with another star and a lot of good shooters what is wrong with that?
Also, I wouldn't get too hung up on the mental illness thing right now. Him starting the season active begins to disperse that cloud. I'm not a fan of his but I think all these questions about how mental state start to disappear after he gets back on the court and they would be foolish to move him right now. Hopefully this shit storm has taken him down a few pegs and he approaches the game a little different this time.Last edited by Apollo; Fri Jul 8, 2022, 06:01 PM.
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Apollo wrote: View Post
He can be the second star on a team and the team could still be constructed to cover some of his deficiencies. What can't be covered is avoiding contact to avoid going to the line. He needs to become a solid free throw shooter.
Either way, I think you're getting too caught up on this building around him idea. If a team builds out a roster with another star and a lot of good shooters what is wrong with that?
Also, I wouldn't get too hung up on the mental illness thing right now. Him starting the season active begins to disperse that cloud. I'm not a fan of his but I think all these questions about how mental state start to disappear after he gets back on the court and they would be foolish to move him right now. Hopefully this shit storm has taken him down a few pegs and he approaches the game a little different this time.
But we have Scottie, hahaha !
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Agree, Simmons is still a good player when he's focused on basketball and he doesn't have to be the centrepiece for them to build around him...similar to Philly. Not sure how many years he has on this contract but he's young enough to get another max type contract. It's in his best interest to start playing and playing soon.
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