The Raptors and KD. Let's discuss.

[The Great One]

Amick is reliable. Amico is not.

Yeah I always get those two mixed up.

[G__Deane]

KD just tweeted that it's nto true.

On his normal phone or his burner phone?

[TrueTorontoFan]

On his normal phone or his burner phone?

both

[The Great One]

Anyone still think Durant is going to get traded? training camp is about a month away.

[golden]

Anyone still think Durant is going to get traded? training camp is about a month away.

Nah. Just like with Simmons, the trade will probably happen closer to the trade deadline.... possibly to Phoenix, when Ayton becomes a tradeable asset. Or Miami could flounder and get desperate. If Simmons plays well and rebuilds his trade value, he could also be moved to open up more trading options for KD. Nets should have a lot more options if they wait.

[TrueTorontoFan]

Nah. Just like with Simmons, the trade will probably happen closer to the trade deadline.... possibly to Phoenix, when Ayton becomes a tradeable asset. Or Miami could flounder and get desperate. If Simmons plays well and rebuilds his trade value, he could also be moved to open up more trading options for KD. Nets should have a lot more options if they wait.

miami could but again those two teams don't have real assets. especically Miami.... and ayton can't be traded without consent for a year he effectively has a no trade clause.

[slaw]

Nah. Just like with Simmons, the trade will probably happen closer to the trade deadline.... possibly to Phoenix, when Ayton becomes a tradeable asset. Or Miami could flounder and get desperate. If Simmons plays well and rebuilds his trade value, he could also be moved to open up more trading options for KD. Nets should have a lot more options if they wait.

A lot will depend on how Durant handles things. Simmons is a good player but he isn't one of the major faces of the league. A lot of very powerful stakeholders are going to want Durant playing and if he decides to sit out, for example, the Nets are going to start feeling lots of heat to get something done not just to ge the organization back on track but from the league, tv partners, sponsors, etc.

[Hotshot]

A lot will depend on how Durant handles things. Simmons is a good player but he isn't one of the major faces of the league. A lot of very powerful stakeholders are going to want Durant playing and if he decides to sit out, for example, the Nets are going to start feeling lots of heat to get something done not just to ge the organization back on track but from the league, tv partners, sponsors, etc.

The problem for the Nets is accepting its over.

There is really no deal out there where the Nets are going to get equal value for Durant and come out out on top. The window of being considered a championship contender is over. Kyrie is going to leave too and who knows what is going to happen with Simmons.

Sure the owner said he will stand behind Marks but he already botched it and whether it continues to drag out to either find a better deal or convince Durant to return, the Nets will continue to suffer on all fronts.

Marks is at the same position Colangelo was. Chasing his own tail to save his own job.

At some point they will bring in his replacement and Marks either get demoted or politely resign his position and take Nash with him.

[TrueTorontoFan]

The problem for the Nets is accepting its over.

There is really no deal out there where the Nets are going to get equal value for Durant and come out out on top. The window of being considered a championship contender is over. Kyrie is going to leave too and who knows what is going to happen with Simmons.

Sure the owner said he will stand behind Marks but he already botched it and whether it continues to drag out to either find a better deal or convince Durant to return, the Nets will continue to suffer on all fronts.

Marks is at the same position Colangelo was. Chasing his own tail to save his own job.

At some point they will bring in his replacement and Marks either get demoted or politely resign his position and take Nash with him.

he will be replaced regardless of what happens


the only saving grace is if Simmons comes back and balls out.. but I doubt it... even if he does ... can he address the issue he had before which was shooting? he hasn't been on a court in FOREVER. Hard to know. Even if he comes back and especially if his back stuff was real which I think it partially was how does that impact his play.

[Hotshot]

he will be replaced regardless of what happens

He botched it. He will be replaced.

He will be associated for years with this. Who knows if he is going to get another shot at this level.

[TrueTorontoFan]

He botched it. He will be replaced.

He will be associated for years with this. Who knows if he is going to get another shot at this level.

he may get a shot again but he will struggle to get firm contracts that are guaranteed and are better than the minimum. I THINK the NBA has a minimum years of service before you get the opportunity to get a pension later and he isn't eligible for that until having 3 years of service but I could be wrong.


Based on what I have seen thus far... he hasn't been great... didn't perform at a decent level to warrant a spot. It more creates more competition. I would need to provide scoring at a decent level and yet be unselfish to make this team. I just don't know if it works out for him given how many other vets are available .... If he is lucky he may get a 905 spot... he was not great at the CEBL

[golden]

A lot will depend on how Durant handles things. Simmons is a good player but he isn't one of the major faces of the league. A lot of very powerful stakeholders are going to want Durant playing and if he decides to sit out, for example, the Nets are going to start feeling lots of heat to get something done not just to ge the organization back on track but from the league, tv partners, sponsors, etc.

KD missed a whole season due to injury and the league somehow survived. On the contrary... the NBA is reportedly looking at signing a massive new TV deal. No single player is that critical to the insatiable demand for NBA media rights these days. Not even Lebron. Curry missed almost a whole season too. And then there's Kawhi, who plays every other season.

Is Adam Silver going to make a courtesy call to Joe Tsai and KD's reps to say: "hey guys... can y'all just work this out?" Probably. But that's about it. The whole issue of "healthy" players under contract holding out and demanding trades, etc... is a bigger issue that will need to be addressed in the next CBA.

[Hotshot]

he may get a shot again but he will struggle to get firm contracts that are guaranteed and are better than the minimum. I THINK the NBA has a minimum years of service before you get the opportunity to get a pension later and he isn't eligible for that until having 3 years of service but I could be wrong.


Based on what I have seen thus far... he hasn't been great... didn't perform at a decent level to warrant a spot. It more creates more competition. I would need to provide scoring at a decent level and yet be unselfish to make this team. I just don't know if it works out for him given how many other vets are available .... If he is lucky he may get a 905 spot... he was not great at the CEBL

Are you talking about Marks or Jalen Harris??!!

[LJ2]

He botched it. He will be replaced.

He will be associated for years with this. Who knows if he is going to get another shot at this level.

He botched what exactly? Marks came into a situation where the organization was coming off the heels of having mortgaged their short and long-term future with the KG and Pierce version of the Nets. He sorted things out and pivoted rather quickly into another contending team. Any organization looking to hire a guy that works my unit miracles will be interested in hiring Marks.

Nobody could have anticipated what a nut job Kyrie would be.

The combination of KD and Kyrie will still be enough to get someone interested. Toss in Simmons and some team dwelling in perpetual mediocrity will make that phone call.

[Hotshot]

He botched what exactly? Marks came into a situation where the organization was coming off the heels of having mortgaged their short and long-term future with the KG and Pierce version of the Nets. He sorted things out and pivoted rather quickly into another contending team. Any organization looking to hire a guy that works my unit miracles will be interested in hiring Marks.

Nobody could have anticipated what a nut job Kyrie would be.

The combination of KD and Kyrie will still be enough to get someone interested. Toss in Simmons and some team dwelling in perpetual mediocrity will make that phone call.

Marks is a GM capable of building a competitive team that isn't disputed but there is next level tier to this job as well.

Masai was able to convince a superstar like Kawhi to come to Toronto for one year (a destination that wasn't on his wish list) and throughout the year kept tabs on everything to ensure this was going to work and it has (even though the locker room may have been more volatile then was seen throughout the year but nothing was leaked until the end).

Marks did not recruit Durant + Irving. These two wanted to come to Brooklyn. Marks fortune became a liability in which he could not handle. The other superstar he brought in was Harden and that did not work very well. Lots of assets were lost in getting Harden and than more assets were quickly lost in getting Simmons in which he came injured and unable to help the Nets in the playoffs (you don't get many shots at the title so he had better gotten it more right than wrong). Not only that but hiring an inexperienced coach in Nash did not work very well with the current squad. Not to mention but caving in for Durant demands to play with Deandre Jordan instead of Jarret Allen and than trading him in the Harden trade also proved to be a bad deal. Pissing Durant off in Marks inability to commit to Irving long terms even though he told him they were a package deal didn't help either. You usually can't teach those things as a GM, you have to learn to deal with those problems and still manage to come out with the best outcome you can. Marks has failed to do so.

So throughout such a short time Marks has lost the plot to appease Durant/Irving and came short in 2 post seasons with the Nets who should have been competing to the title but had lots of unfortunate injuries as well . The fault always lies on the person in charge of the operation for better or worse.