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2022 PreSeason - 3 Weeks to Camp Opening - Where Do The Raps Stack up in the East ?

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  • #31
    Puffer wrote: View Post

    I heard that the Raptors have the highest continuity ranking in the NBA this season. Continuity counts for something. 48 wins last season with the same top 9 guys returning is pretty cool, particularly when your main addition is a fits-anywhere multitool kind of player.
    where did you find that ranking?

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    • #32
      TrueTorontoFan wrote: View Post

      where did you find that ranking?
      Sean Woodley mentioned John Shumman's Continuity Ranking in his discussion with Vivek Jacob about how the Cleveland deal for Donovan Mitchell would affect the Raptors a few days ago. I found John Shuman's page at NBA.com, and his power ranking of the Eastern Conference teams, but couldn't find his list of teams and their continuity ranking. Maybe he mentioned it in a podcast or some other article.

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      • #33
        Puffer wrote: View Post

        Sean Woodley mentioned John Shumman's Continuity Ranking in his discussion with Vivek Jacob about how the Cleveland deal for Donovan Mitchell would affect the Raptors a few days ago. I found John Shuman's page at NBA.com, and his power ranking of the Eastern Conference teams, but couldn't find his list of teams and their continuity ranking. Maybe he mentioned it in a podcast or some other article.
        I found one on basketball reference

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        • #34
          The Hawks brought in Murray but lost Gallinari and Huerter. Both those guys were double digit scorers and plus 38% 3 point shooters.

          Murray is a great player and has enough size to make a good backcourt partner for Young.....but he is used to having the ball in his hands and and is not a great 3 point shooter. It will be interesting to see how the two guards mesh and how that effects the rest of the roster. 2 ball dominant guys does not leave much leave much left for guys like Collins, Capella, Hunter, and Bogdanovic.
          Twitter @WJ_FINDLAY

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          • #35
            WJF wrote: View Post
            The Hawks brought in Murray but lost Gallinari and Huerter. Both those guys were double digit scorers and plus 38% 3 point shooters.

            Murray is a great player and has enough size to make a good backcourt partner for Young.....but he is used to having the ball in his hands and and is not a great 3 point shooter. It will be interesting to see how the two guards mesh and how that effects the rest of the roster. 2 ball dominant guys does not leave much leave much left for guys like Collins, Capella, Hunter, and Bogdanovic.
            Nate McMillan is a solid coach... He will make it work....
            Atlanta is going to be very relevant this year.
            And with the 4th overall pick the Toronto Raptors select..... Scottie Barnes.

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            • #36
              DanH wrote: View Post

              Uhh. Precious has a long ways to go on offence. He's elite defensively already, and the concerns about his ability to defend in the paint are unfounded. But his offence is still damaging enough that it's hard to say he's better than these other established C's overall. Now, he made great strides last season but unless that improvement continues, he's still a little ways off from being a better than average starting C. That said, I do think he's a perfectly viable starting C as is, especially considering what the Raps want from that spot.
              Your analysis looks backwards....

              He is able to contribute offensively....
              He improved his 3PT% to 36% which is above league average.
              And the Raps are all about the 3 ball .. hoisting more than 35 a game.



              We as a team , not just Achiwua , finished DFL (dead effing last) in defensive rebounds
              https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/defe...gular%20Season

              We finished 23rd out of 30 on surrendering 2nd chance points... 14 a game.
              Dead last is 15 points a game.
              It ain't pretty.

              We need help at the 5 if you consider playing defense as a big part of the game.
              Last edited by Demographic Shift; Mon Sep 5, 2022, 12:15 PM.
              And with the 4th overall pick the Toronto Raptors select..... Scottie Barnes.

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              • #37
                Demographic Shift wrote: View Post

                Your analysis looks backwards....

                He is able to contribute offensively....
                He improved his 3PT% to 36% which is above league average.
                And the Raps are all about the 3 ball .. hoisting more than 35 a game.



                We as a team , not just Achiwua , finished DFL (dead effing last) in defensive rebounds
                https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/defe...gular%20Season

                We finished 23rd out of 30 on surrendering 2nd chance points... 14 a game.
                Dead last is 15 points a game.
                It ain't pretty.

                We need help at the 5 if you consider playing defense as a big part of the game.
                Raptors. Don’t. Have. A. 5. They also don’t have a 4,3,2 or 1. Precious will be handling the ball, shooting threes and running the break. Just like everyone else is expected to.

                And Raps rebounding isn’t just a function of size but of style. Guys are extended on the perimeter and scrambling constantly - you are going to suffer in the boards. It’s a trade-off. You can get the biggest dude you want but when he’s flying out at three point shooters and doubling on the perimeter he ain’t rebounding shit. Yes, they need to clean the glass better that’s a team issue that isn’t solved by getting one guy.

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                • #38
                  Demographic Shift wrote: View Post

                  Nate McMillan is a solid coach... He will make it work....
                  Atlanta is going to be very relevant this year.
                  The Hawks are going to be solid, just not sure how quick they get out of the gate.
                  Twitter @WJ_FINDLAY

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                  • #39
                    slaw wrote: View Post

                    Raptors. Don’t. Have. A. 5. They also don’t have a 4,3,2 or 1. Precious will be handling the ball, shooting threes and running the break. Just like everyone else is expected to.

                    And Raps rebounding isn’t just a function of size but of style. Guys are extended on the perimeter and scrambling constantly - you are going to suffer in the boards. It’s a trade-off. You can get the biggest dude you want but when he’s flying out at three point shooters and doubling on the perimeter he ain’t rebounding shit. Yes, they need to clean the glass better that’s a team issue that isn’t solved by getting one guy.
                    We can agree on your first few sentenences anyway...... The Raps don't have a 5.
                    After that not so much I am afraid.

                    Hoping that we get a different result on the defensive glass with the same players as last year is a pretty risky strategy.

                    And with the 4th overall pick the Toronto Raptors select..... Scottie Barnes.

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                    • #40
                      Does anyone see the Raps missing the playoffs ?
                      And with the 4th overall pick the Toronto Raptors select..... Scottie Barnes.

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                      • #41
                        Demographic Shift wrote: View Post
                        Does anyone see the Raps missing the playoffs ?
                        there are fans thinking they will but I don't think they will.. I see the raptors ending up 3-5 with 4 being most likely.

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                        • #42
                          There’s a chance we are in the play in but not completely out of the playoffs. Hopefully guys stay healthy, and our internal growth keeps us in that 5-6 spot, but I can see us going to the 7-8

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                          • #43
                            Demographic Shift wrote: View Post
                            Does anyone see the Raps missing the playoffs ?
                            No, I don't see it.
                            In no particular order in my opinion the top 9 in the east are:

                            Milwaukee
                            Boston
                            Philly
                            Miami
                            Brooklyn
                            Toronto
                            Cleveland
                            Chicago
                            Atlanta

                            That's 9. I think Charlotte, Detroit, Knicks, Orlando, Indy, Washington are all worse than the top 9.

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                            • #44
                              There are obviously a bunch of teams in the East that are more talented than the Raptors, but I'm expecting Raps to be a top 4 team and wouldn't be surprised at all if we are a top 2.

                              We're building some good chemistry between the core players right now with all of them together and participating in these Rico Hines runs. I'm expecting the Raps to have a quick start to the season while other teams in the East with new faces start off a bit slower while they figure things out. If we can build a decent lead we might be able to hold teams off. Vet teams like the Bucks and Heat tend to start pretty slow and save themselves for the playoffs.

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                              • #45
                                Demographic Shift wrote: View Post

                                Your analysis looks backwards....

                                He is able to contribute offensively....
                                He improved his 3PT% to 36% which is above league average.
                                And the Raps are all about the 3 ball .. hoisting more than 35 a game.



                                We as a team , not just Achiwua , finished DFL (dead effing last) in defensive rebounds
                                https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/defe...gular%20Season

                                We finished 23rd out of 30 on surrendering 2nd chance points... 14 a game.
                                Dead last is 15 points a game.
                                It ain't pretty.

                                We need help at the 5 if you consider playing defense as a big part of the game.
                                Right, and our initial defence was good enough on first chances that even giving up 14 a game on second chances, it graded out to a top 5 overall mark for the second half of the season. And that's with OG missing a bunch of time and Fred hobbled.

                                Even with Precious making leaps and bounds with his shooting last season, his season long offensive impact was disastrous, while his defensive impact was truly elite. He's currently the very definition of a defence first player. Almost any replacement for him would lead to better offensive results and worse defensive results for the team.
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