Everything 2022-2023 Season

[Primer]

Era of one dimensional centers is over.

The era of 29% 3PT "shooters" is over too, never happened actually.

[MixxAOR]

The era of 29% 3PT "shooters" is over too, never happened actually.

DeRozan
Hes great midrange shooter, good FT shooter and shot 35% from three for a month. I'll trust that he'll turn it around since he's 19 years old

[Primer]

DeRozan
Hes great midrange shooter, good FT shooter and shot 35% from three for a month. I'll trust that he'll turn it around since he's 19 years old

Derozan is one of the greatest mid range shooters in the history of the NBA. Ludicrous to compare him to Branham.

[A.I]

DeRozan
Hes great midrange shooter, good FT shooter and shot 35% from three for a month. I'll trust that he'll turn it around since he's 19 years old

So you're comparing Branham to Derozan and Koloko to Biyombo? Yikes.

[MixxAOR]

So you're comparing Branham to Derozan and Koloko to Biyombo? Yikes.

Koloko - rookie year averages

3.8 pts on 49% FG, 3.4 rebounds and 1.1 blocks

Biyombo - rookie year averages

5.2 pts on 46%, 5.8 rebounds and 1.8 blocks

Koloko didn't show me anything yet.


Rookie year Branham shooting

0-3 feet: .680
3-10 feet: .500
10-16 feet: .560
16-3p: .444

Derozan Rookie Year Shooting

0-3 feet: .622
3-10 feet: .492
10-16 feet: .465
16-3p feet: .356

As a type of scorer he can copy Derozan as midrange assassin. But he'll develop a 3 since he's in Spurs system.

[A.I]

Koloko - rookie year averages

3.8 pts on 49% FG, 3.4 rebounds and 1.1 blocks

Biyombo - rookie year averages

5.2 pts on 46%, 5.8 rebounds and 1.8 blocks

Koloko didn't show me anything yet.


Rookie year Branham shooting

0-3 feet: .680
3-10 feet: .500
10-16 feet: .560
16-3p: .444

Derozan Rookie Year Shooting

0-3 feet: .622
3-10 feet: .492
10-16 feet: .465
16-3p feet: .356

Its just extremely odd that you say Branham will turn it around, but already made up your mind about Koloko.

Regardless, if Branham has the work ethic Derozan does, good for him.

[golden]

Koloko - rookie year averages

3.8 pts on 49% FG, 3.4 rebounds and 1.1 blocks

Biyombo - rookie year averages

5.2 pts on 46%, 5.8 rebounds and 1.8 blocks

Koloko didn't show me anything yet.


Rookie year Branham shooting

0-3 feet: .680
3-10 feet: .500
10-16 feet: .560
16-3p: .444

Derozan Rookie Year Shooting

0-3 feet: .622
3-10 feet: .492
10-16 feet: .465
16-3p feet: .356

As a type of scorer he can copy Derozan as midrange assassin. But he'll develop a 3 since he's in Spurs system.

Biz was a 35 yr old rookie. Lol.

[MixxAOR]

Its just extremely odd that you say Branham will turn it around, but already made up your mind about Koloko.

Nothing odd. I was responding to Primer where he doesn't keep the same energy about players. If he's so down on Branham it makes no sense to be so high on Koloko.

[Primer]

Koloko - rookie year averages

3.8 pts on 49% FG, 3.4 rebounds and 1.1 blocks

Biyombo - rookie year averages

5.2 pts on 46%, 5.8 rebounds and 1.8 blocks

Koloko didn't show me anything yet.


Rookie year Branham shooting

0-3 feet: .680
3-10 feet: .500
10-16 feet: .560
16-3p: .444

Derozan Rookie Year Shooting

0-3 feet: .622
3-10 feet: .492
10-16 feet: .465
16-3p feet: .356

As a type of scorer he can copy Derozan as midrange assassin. But he'll develop a 3 since he's in Spurs system.

Leaving out some pretty important numbers here, obviously on purpose.

Minutes and attempts.

Biyombo rookie year 23mpg, Koloko 15mpg

Derozan 21mpg, Branham 19mpg

Derozan basically didn't shoot 10-16ft or from 3.

Branham takes half of his shots from 3, and around 15% each from the other distances.

Deorzan TS% rookie year 55.4%

Branham TS% 51.1%

That old context killing you again.

[MixxAOR]

Leaving out some pretty important numbers here, obviously on purpose.

Minutes and attempts.

Biyombo rookie year 23mpg, Koloko 15mpg

Derozan 21mpg, Branham 19mpg

Derozan basically didn't shoot 10-16ft or from 3.

Branham takes half of his shots from 3, and around 15% each from the other distances.

Deorzan TS% rookie year 55.4%

Branham TS% 51.1%

That old context killing you again.

Difference in minutes is not why Koloko is averaging 49% from field. And their difference is not greater than their similarities. You look at those stats from Koloko and you can't even begin to project anything remotely positive. He needs to make incredible gains since all offense is created for him.

Branham and Derozan point was not even about Branham being Derozan but your point about how guard can't be successful without a 3.

Branham was known for his midrange in college and creation more than his three point shooting and that part translated to NBA.

[The Great One]

At the end of the day, a good winger is more valuable than a good center ESPECIALLY in today's game.

Branham was one of the guys I was keeping a close eye on last year along with Daniels. I thought he would go in the top 12 and Daniels would go in the mid 1st round. It went the other way around and I was surprised Branham dropped all the way to 20.

As for Koloko, i'll say this again. Just because he Raptors drafted him, just because of the success of Siakam and Powell and OG - you know late 1st round picks and 2nd round picks - doesn't mean Koloko is going to have the same type of career. People here got spoiled like they expect every late 1st round picks and 2nd round picks and undrafted players to turn into rotation players/stars.There's a reason why Koloko's a 2nd round pick.

[golden]

Difference in minutes is not why Koloko is averaging 49% from field. And their difference is not greater than their similarities. You look at those stats from Koloko and you can't even begin to project anything remotely positive. He needs to make incredible gains since all offense is created for him.

Branham and Derozan point was not even about Branham being Derozan but your point about how guard can't be successful without a 3.

Branham was known for his midrange in college and creation more than his three point shooting and that part translated to NBA.

Koloko: TS% / Net rating.

Oct: 50.4% / +6.8
Nov: 52.6% / +6.6
Dec: 54.0% / +10.0
Jan: 60.9% / +13.9

You evaluate rookies by monthly progress, not averages. Koloko is making steady and rapid progress. The biggest statistical takeaway is that even as a rookie rim protector, he's making a positive impact as the backline defender. He's having a great rookie year and he'll be fine.

[Primer]

Difference in minutes is not why Koloko is averaging 49% from field. And their difference is not greater than their similarities. You look at those stats from Koloko and you can't even begin to project anything remotely positive. He needs to make incredible gains since all offense is created for him.

Branham and Derozan point was not even about Branham being Derozan but your point about how guard can't be successful without a 3.

Branham was known for his midrange in college and creation more than his three point shooting and that part translated to NBA.

Branham took 30% of his shots from 3 in college and shot 41% from 3. He was 100% billed as a 3pt shooter going into the draft. He shoots half his shots from 3pt range in the NBA. He just sucks at it at this level.

My argument was never Branham can't be a good guard without a 3. Half his shots are 3s. That's his game and he's bad at it.

[MixxAOR]

Branham took 30% of his shots from 3 in college and shot 41% from 3. He was 100% billed as a 3pt shooter going into the draft. He shoots half his shots from 3pt range in the NBA. He just sucks at it at this level.

My argument was never Branham can't be a good guard without a 3. Half his shots are 3s. That's his game and he's bad at it.

He was billed as three level scorer not Matt Thomas type.

As far as his mid-range creation it absolutely translated. And no reason to believe he will not develop a three. Since he's good at midrange and FT. You suggesting this is who he is at 19 is ludicrous

[Primer]

He was billed as three level scorer not Matt Thomas type.

As far as his mid-range creation it absolutely translated. And no reason to believe he will not develop a three. Since he's good at midrange and FT. You suggesting this is who he is at 19 is ludicrous

I never brought up this poor kid. You and great one did. Koloko is better. Whining about us not drafting Branham is dumb because Koloko is better.