Everything 2022-2023 Season

[DanH]

Man dan I like you but you have a way of picking out things of a post and making inferences for others.

In summary I want to be 6th, I'll be disappointed if we end up in the play in because we could have just cashed in fred or Gary for an asset and got a higher pick.

I'm fine with the Jak trade he is a good center.

And I don't think brining the whole team back next year is great, because i don't think this is a great team.

All these post i clearly said in my opinion. I'm not pretending to be the end all be all information on the raptors. Saying this as a poster not a moderator but it comes off really condescending when you respond like this.

So, to be clear, you wanted to cash in an asset like Fred or Gary, but didn't care what we got for that asset, since all indications are that there was very little of value out there for them. But at the same time, you don't see the value in keeping those exact players on the roster because the current team as constructed is not up to your standards, even if keeping said players could give us a chance to, say, cash in those assets later on?

I'm a little curious why you see 6th as wildly better than 7th to the point that you would have preferred an entirely different roster approach based on that difference alone. If the team is even within striking distance of 6th considering their starting point that should indicate they are performing like a home court team the rest of the way, which is exceedingly promising for next year. Assuming they don't, like, trade a core piece for whatever junk offers there are our there just for the sake of making a move.

[DanH]

Its too bad we couldnt get a first and expirings for fred. Has that ever happened a guy In the last all star game not even offered one first rounder?

Well considering that teams usually keep those sorts of players (and for good reason), we don't have a huge sample of that specific scenario taking place.

[Jclaw]

Nets and Heat both lost. Don’t think we’ll catch the Knicks but maybe they were never the target.

[DanH]

Nets and Heat both lost. Don’t think we’ll catch the Knicks but maybe they were never the target.

Yeah, the Nets tearing down and the Knicks catching a heater definitely changed the teams we were chasing. Knicks are almost a home court team now, within striking distance of the Cavs.

[Primer]

Raptors are 3.5 games out of the 6 seed.

2 back of Miami for 7th.

0.5 back of Atlanta for 8th.

The teams ahead of us are helping us out.

[A.I]

Raptors are 3.5 games out of the 6 seed.

2 back of Miami for 7th.

0.5 back of Atlanta for 8th.

The teams ahead of us are helping us out.

Would be interesting to get 6th and play the Sixers again in the Playoffs lol

[MixxAOR]

this franchise tanking?

[DanH]

this franchise tanking?

To be fair, I'd bet they increase the ticket prices even if they were lined up for a top 5 pick.

[The Great One]

Looking at this 5 game road trip, these next 2 games against the Wiz is massive. I know it's hard to sweep a mini 2 game series.....but they need to sweep the Wizards.

The Lakers likely won't have LeBron when we play them so that should be a W.

The Nuggets and Clippers games are scheduled losses.

[Primer]

Looking at this 5 game road trip, these next 2 games against the Wiz is massive. I know it's hard to sweep a mini 2 game series.....but they need to sweep the Wizards.

The Lakers likely won't have LeBron when we play them so that should be a W.

The Nuggets and Clippers games are scheduled losses.

Nuggets maybe but the Clippers aren't that good and are currently on a 3 game skid. Not saying we'll win for sure but it's hardly a scheduled loss.

[bertarapsfan]

So, to be clear, you wanted to cash in an asset like Fred or Gary, but didn't care what we got for that asset, since all indications are that there was very little of value out there for them. But at the same time, you don't see the value in keeping those exact players on the roster because the current team as constructed is not up to your standards, even if keeping said players could give us a chance to, say, cash in those assets later on?

I'm a little curious why you see 6th as wildly better than 7th to the point that you would have preferred an entirely different roster approach based on that difference alone. If the team is even within striking distance of 6th considering their starting point that should indicate they are performing like a home court team the rest of the way, which is exceedingly promising for next year. Assuming they don't, like, trade a core piece for whatever junk offers there are our there just for the sake of making a move.

Because we have a fighting chance if were 6th in a playoff series. We likely get stomped by the Celtics or bucks.

If that happens we moved down a tier in the draft for a first round exit.

they thing i have the most faith in is our FO ability to find and draft talent. 5ish spots is a lot in the draft. We wanted SGA and couldn't get him, masai identified Giannis. Hell of we don't jump in the lottery from 7th to 4 we probably end up with kuminga instead of Scottie.

my opinion is I'd rather giving our F.O a better chance at getting there guy, then lose in 5 games round 1.

[DanH]

Because we have a fighting chance if were 6th in a playoff series. We likely get stomped by the Celtics or bucks.

If that happens we moved down a tier in the draft for a first round exit.

they thing i have the most faith in is our FO ability to find and draft talent. 5ish spots is a lot in the draft. We wanted SGA and couldn't get him, masai identified Giannis. Hell of we don't jump in the lottery from 7th to 4 we probably end up with kuminga instead of Scottie.

my opinion is I'd rather giving our F.O a better chance at getting there guy, then lose in 5 games round 1.

Did we move down a tier in the draft? I didn't know the tiers broke down like that in this draft.

I'd peg their likeliest landing spot if they made no moves as... probably 9th or 10th in the East. So... 13th or 14th pick. Let's say they end up 7th in the East, that's something like 19th or 20th pick. I haven't done my research on this draft - is that where the consensus is there's a tier change, between the end of the lotto and ~20th? Most drafts it has leveled out around there and it just comes down to your front office finding a guy.

So, to be clear, the entire value of that trade rests on this coming playoffs? If we play like a 50 win team from here on out and the team looks fantastic, but other teams hit enough of a heater to push us to 7th, you see no value in future years from having a 50 win level team assembled? Nevermind the assumption that Philly is that far a drop below the other two teams near the top of the conference, not sure the basis for that, they have almost identical metrics to the Bucks, just a few games behind them.

[planetmars]

Because we have a fighting chance if were 6th in a playoff series. We likely get stomped by the Celtics or bucks.

If that happens we moved down a tier in the draft for a first round exit.

they thing i have the most faith in is our FO ability to find and draft talent. 5ish spots is a lot in the draft. We wanted SGA and couldn't get him, masai identified Giannis. Hell of we don't jump in the lottery from 7th to 4 we probably end up with kuminga instead of Scottie.

my opinion is I'd rather giving our F.O a better chance at getting there guy, then lose in 5 games round 1.

Who's to say we wouldn't take Wagner at 7 if we didn't move up?

Either way, Masai likely thought a lot about what he was going to do at the deadline, before he ended up being a buyer. I mean he has great scouts.. he's a great scout himself. Yet he still decided to get better in the short term at the deadline. So maybe he just wasn't really that crazy about the middle tier of guys. They scout these guys 2-3-4-5 years ahead.

There was a chance they had to move up in the draft and get into the top 4 like they did the Tampa year. We were around 7th or 8th worse in the league when we were heading to the deadline I believe. Yet we still decided to be a buyer. I guess maybe he's not a gambler either. Or he figured that even without Poeltl they would be good enough to not get into the top 4.

Ultimately there's a point where you can give up on our GM/front office or continue to have some faith in them. I'm sticking with the latter personally.

I have my complaints but at the end of the day I still feel like we're in good hands. For example, I'm still not sure about that Thad trade, and it's not so much the pick swap. It's bringing in Thad who doesn't complement the roster at all.

I think Poeltl was worth a FRP. I just wish they did the trade last year and gave up 2 picks instead. Who knows how much the Spurs wanted. Maybe they were asking for OG and 2 picks, instead of Birch and 1 pick.

[A.I]

Site is back! That Wizards game might have been the worst loss of the season for me. Just felt super disappointed watching it. Lets hope for better play and a better outcome today...

[Demographic Shift]

18 games left.
Raps are 5 back in the loss column with the Nets.
Yes the Nets suck and could implode.
Still .. with 18 games to go the Nets could go 6 and 12 ... they hold the tiebreaker so we have to go 12 and 6. We just lost to the Whiz in a rather uninspiring effort.

Its the play in ....