Everything 2022-2023 Season

[golden]

Well sounds like Golden knows exactly what Masai and Bobby will do. Close the thread.

After 10 years on this board... you finally get it.

[NeedTristanThompson]

Well sounds like Golden knows exactly what Masai and Bobby will do. Close the thread.

I mean I think Golden has a good theory of what's going on! We'll see what they actually do but based on everything Masai's said and what's going on now and what's happened so far, seems like a good theory to me. We'll see!

I mean if that is the case I hope it actually does work because an article I just read about Masai's reason for why he thinks this would work really didn't sound to me like it was the best thing to ground a whole team building thing on... (He went and saw the men's USA basketball team one time and thought it looked like no one could get to the basket when everyone stretched out their arms)

Masai handled the Demar thing well, sure. And he doesn't make impulsive moves much, sure, so better than Colangelo and other gms like that, and less likely to make mistakes in some ways as a result. Seems to be good/decent at drafting. But should we still trust in Masai?????

[Kagemusha]

Tbh, Nick's system is almost a paradox.

It requires his players to be 100% all in for it to work.

It means -
- high IQ players
- no nights off
- no injuries

But then they love to draft players that took up the game late
And he runs them to the ground which results in them either getting fatigued/injured.

[MixxAOR]

Tbh, Nick's system is almost a paradox.

It requires his players to be 100% all in for it to work.

It means -
- high IQ players
- no nights off
- no injuries

But then they love to draft players that took up the game late
And he runs them to the ground which results in them either getting fatigued/injured.

Nothing paradox. His system is high ceiling and low floor. Players currently in a system cannot reach the ceiling of the system.

Let's not complain about needing High IQ players because if goal is to win more than regular season games you need High IQ guys.

[Kagemusha]

Nothing paradox. His system is high ceiling and low floor. Players currently in a system cannot reach the ceiling of the system.

Let's not complain about needing High IQ players because if goal is to win more than regular season games you need High IQ guys.

I am all for needing high IQ players.
What i am having trouble with is with his system which is unsustainable.

[MixxAOR]

I am all for needing high IQ players.
What i am having trouble with is with his system which is unsustainable.

Perhaps this system are unsustainable. But these players also do not fit conventional systems either. No drop back center. Too many PFs. No PNR guard. Trades will need to be done.

[Yuri Gagarin]

Well as nick said the players aren’t executing his plan and thats why they’re losing. He didnt trust the bench to execute it now the starters arent buying into it. Poor Nicks in a tough spot. It was a bit of an undercut shedding the blame on them and away from him. If only theyd listen. I think he played a little but maybe its easier drawing up the plan than actually executing it on the floor? A bit of a disconnect?

[Yuri Gagarin]

Sometimes I wonder if the COY helped or hindered things. Either way you can only say f-off I know what Im doing with that COY award for so long. Like a few months for Casey

[golden]

Well as nick said the players aren’t executing his plan and thats why they’re losing. He didnt trust the bench to execute it now the starters arent buying into it. Poor Nicks in a tough spot. It was a bit of an undercut shedding the blame on them and away from him. If only theyd listen. I think he played a little but maybe its easier drawing up the plan than actually executing it on the floor? A bit of a disconnect?

We had high IQ 2-way players like Gasol, Lowry, Green & Kawhi executing our schemes before. That might've given Nurse, Masai & Bobby a false sense of what an NBA player can actually do and what's possible with schemes. They executed a Box & 1 to perfection... basically out of a time-out with no practice. Gasol & Lowry might even be genius-level IQ players.

[The Great One]

Zion is a lot of fun to watch.

[Shredder]

Imagine in some other universe that we signed Ayton to a max contract and then he put up numbers like last night? 2/10 4 points. This forum would explode.

I wasn't able to watch the game, but I think that's why our front office doesn't value a true centre the way this forum does. Ayton is considered a prime 5, and he can still get exposed. In todays game, a true 5 is not as valuable as they were 20 years ago. The star 5's are still paid like star players, but their contribution may not warrant the allocation of cap space.

I agree we need a 5, and I think the little Koloko has shown this year warrants that statement. I think we could use another 5, to allow Koloko to grow as well for injury/foul trouble insurance. That being said I don't think we chase someone that will eat up a ton of cap space.

[G__Deane]

Zion is a lot of fun to watch.

I watched highlights just to see if he barreled in on Embiid or vice versa but was disappointed

[G__Deane]

Imagine in some other universe that we signed Ayton to a max contract and then he put up numbers like last night? 2/10 4 points. This forum would explode.

I wasn't able to watch the game, but I think that's why our front office doesn't value a true centre the way this forum does. Ayton is considered a prime 5, and he can still get exposed. In todays game, a true 5 is not as valuable as they were 20 years ago. The star 5's are still paid like star players, but their contribution may not warrant the allocation of cap space.

I agree we need a 5, and I think the little Koloko has shown this year warrants that statement. I think we could use another 5, to allow Koloko to grow as well for injury/foul trouble insurance. That being said I don't think we chase someone that will eat up a ton of cap space.

You can't just pick on one game though. Fred sure has them, Pascal has them. every NBA player has stinkers.

A max contract is a different discussion but he's a 7 footer, 250 pounds and he's averaging near 18 and 10 on an injury ravaged Suns team and he's just 24 years old. You don't think that would have value on this team when his age perfectly aligns with Pascal, OG, Barnes, Trent and Achiuwa/Koloko?

Maybe offer some resistance to Giannis and Embiid at the rim in the playoffs?

[Shredder]

You can't just pick on one game though. Fred sure has them, Pascal has them. every NBA player has stinkers.

A max contract is a different discussion but he's a 7 footer, 250 pounds and he's averaging near 18 and 10 on an injury ravaged Suns team and he's just 24 years old. You don't think that would have value on this team when his age perfectly aligns with Pascal, OG, Barnes, Trent and Achiuwa/Koloko?

Maybe offer some resistance to Giannis and Embiid at the rim in the playoffs?

But a max contract was market value. I agree for a lot less I would love to have a Centre like Ayton. That's the issue, market value on Centre's is still high.

[G__Deane]

But a max contract was market value. I agree for a lot less I would love to have a Centre like Ayton. That's the issue, market value on Centre's is still high.

He's making $33M AVG over 4 years. I don't think that's a huge over pay for what could easily be a 20/10 (career 10.4) centre who also cuts down on opposition points through rebounding and rim protection.

I just think saying he had a bad game on an injury ravaged team as an example that he would be useless in Toronto is a bit disingenuous. If he just came off a 20/10, he'd look pretty good here.