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  • Dallas will be looking to deal the 10th pick. They seem like a good destination for Fred. I'd take back whoever they want to include for salary.

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    • Primer wrote: View Post
      Dallas will be looking to deal the 10th pick. They seem like a good destination for Fred. I'd take back whoever they want to include for salary.
      It's still Fred's choice. We can't force him to play for Dallas if he opts out. And they want to bring Kyrie back. They already have their back court set.

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      • Here we go.

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        • bertarapsfan wrote: View Post

          I don't think you can say it's not valid for many to feel upset with the result of the direction we choose at the deadline. Maybe we don't lose as much as the blazers but still even a hand full of more loses would have had us in the 7 range of picks.

          If anything seeing us unable to beat a bulls team at home in the play in only makes us ask more what was this all for.
          Guys picked in the 5-12 range may not be as good as the guy picked at 13. Or they may not be that much better where you end up losing your sh!t for losing out.

          I mean the opposite happens to. We picked Flynn over Bane. We picked Daniels (and Bruno) over Jokic. We picked JV over Kawhi. Even if you have a better pick you don't necessarily always get the better player.

          The hope was we could move into the top spot since Wemby appears to be a franchise changing player. No other guy has that coming into the league. They might one day end up being great.. but that can be said for really anyone. But the only team that had a real chance outside the worst 4 teams to get him was Portland, and they still missed. The team that got him had 22 wins. We already had more wins than that by the deadline.

          Just have hope or faith that the guy we get at 13 will be a great fit for our team now and into the future. It worked out when we got guys like OG, Pascal and Norm. And they were taken much much later than 13.

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          • A.I wrote: View Post
            Here we go.

            How Portland's salary cap situation? Would they just be able to trade the pick and a young guy for Pascal? Or do they need salary filler? think grants a FA right? So if they get Pascal could just let him walk.
            Hard to see a better win now player then Pascal that teams may trade for pick 3
            To be the champs you got to beat the champs

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            • planetmars wrote: View Post

              Guys picked in the 5-12 range may not be as good as the guy picked at 13. Or they may not be that much better where you end up losing your sh!t for losing out.

              I mean the opposite happens to. We picked Flynn over Bane. We picked Daniels (and Bruno) over Jokic. We picked JV over Kawhi. Even if you have a better pick you don't necessarily always get the better player.

              The hope was we could move into the top spot since Wemby appears to be a franchise changing player. No other guy has that coming into the league. They might one day end up being great.. but that can be said for really anyone. But the only team that had a real chance outside the worst 4 teams to get him was Portland, and they still missed. The team that got him had 22 wins. We already had more wins than that by the deadline.

              Just have hope or faith that the guy we get at 13 will be a great fit for our team now and into the future. It worked out when we got guys like OG, Pascal and Norm. And they were taken much much later than 13.
              I dont really follow the logic. Why wouldnt you want to be higher and have more options available? If they FO identified their guy being deeper in the draft just means more teams have a chance to scoop him.

              The opposite end of your argument is that this front office identified Giannis and SGA. But couldn't get in the range and grab em before someone else.
              To be the champs you got to beat the champs

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              • bertarapsfan wrote: View Post

                How Portland's salary cap situation? Would they just be able to trade the pick and a young guy for Pascal? Or do they need salary filler? think grants a FA right? So if they get Pascal could just let him walk.
                Hard to see a better win now player then Pascal that teams may trade for pick 3
                Biggest problem is the Blazers finding matching outgoing salary for Pascal, that doesn't hurt their depth.

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                • bertarapsfan wrote: View Post

                  I dont really follow the logic. Why wouldnt you want to be higher and have more options available? If they FO identified their guy being deeper in the draft just means more teams have a chance to scoop him.

                  The opposite end of your argument is that this front office identified Giannis and SGA. But couldn't get in the range and grab em before someone else.
                  Yep, that's exactly the point of having the higher pick. It's totally in your control with higher probability of getting your guy... rather than getting lucky that they fall through the cracks. It's how we ended up with Koloko, but we probably wanted Nembhard.

                  But it all starts with identifying the right guy, which this FO has been better than most at, over the years.

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                  • bertarapsfan wrote: View Post

                    How Portland's salary cap situation? Would they just be able to trade the pick and a young guy for Pascal? Or do they need salary filler? think grants a FA right? So if they get Pascal could just let him walk.
                    Hard to see a better win now player then Pascal that teams may trade for pick 3
                    I think the Celtics are going to trade Brown win or lose but I don't think Brown is a good fit beside Dame. I think Giannis is the perfect fit to play beside Dame. Siakam is a poor man's Giannis. So Siakam to POR just makes a lot of sense.

                    Something like Siakam to POR for the 3rd pick and salary filler.

                    Another trade scenario is Siakam to BOS for Brown.
                    Mamba Mentality

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                    • The Great One wrote: View Post

                      I think the Celtics are going to trade Brown win or lose but I don't think Brown is a good fit beside Dame. I think Giannis is the perfect fit to play beside Dame. Siakam is a poor man's Giannis. So Siakam to POR just makes a lot of sense.

                      Something like Siakam to POR for the 3rd pick and salary filler.

                      Another trade scenario is Siakam to BOS for Brown.
                      I don't think Celtics will do Brown to Portland. Celtics are a championship level team, doubt they would have any interest in Simons + the 3rd pick for Brown unless a three team trade is involved where they get a star caliber player back.

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                      • Another one - Siakam to Houston for Green + salary filler OR the 4th pick + salary filler.
                        Mamba Mentality

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                        • The Great One wrote: View Post
                          Another one - Siakam to Houston for Green + salary filler OR the 4th pick + salary filler.
                          Houston seems to far out from competing to be interested in pascal. I guess that changes if they think their getting Harden back though
                          Last edited by bertarapsfan; Wed May 17, 2023, 12:31 PM.
                          To be the champs you got to beat the champs

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                          • bertarapsfan wrote: View Post

                            Houston seems to get out from competing to be interested in pascal. I guess that changes if they think their getting Harden back though
                            There seems to be mutual interest for Harden to go back to Houston.

                            Reports also said Rockets could consider trading Green for a star player. If Harden signs there, it becomes much more likely.

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                            • bertarapsfan wrote: View Post

                              I don't think you can say it's not valid for many to feel upset with the result of the direction we choose at the deadline. Maybe we don't lose as much as the blazers but still even a hand full of more loses would have had us in the 7 range of picks.

                              If anything seeing us unable to beat a bulls team at home in the play in only makes us ask more what was this all for.
                              When I looked at it I thought 9th pick was the most likely outcome if we had say, traded one core piece and not made the Poeltl deal. I guess if we traded Pascal we could have fallen a little further, but then yeah it's probably 7th, and the only real upside of being in that range instead of 13 in terms of major impact on the team is the chance to move up to get a true franchise-changer - which none of those spots did. So, meh.

                              As for what it was all for, it's been pretty clear from the start that what it was all for was NOT this play-in/playoff run. But to add a piece they feel they can keep long term and improve the team incrementally, letting them develop Scottie in a moderately (at least) competitive environment and wait for a chance to add a surefire high value player or high end prospect by selling when the time is right. Which, frankly, may even be at this draft.
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                              • bertarapsfan wrote: View Post

                                I dont really follow the logic. Why wouldnt you want to be higher and have more options available? If they FO identified their guy being deeper in the draft just means more teams have a chance to scoop him.

                                The opposite end of your argument is that this front office identified Giannis and SGA. But couldn't get in the range and grab em before someone else.
                                Being higher in the draft has value.

                                But you are not proposing they get higher in the draft automatically. You are proposing they sacrifice players on the team who are currently good players to be able to move up the draft some unspecified amount. So there is a tradeoff in value - is being a few spots higher valuable enough to counteract losing quality players? Is it enough value to accept a below-value deal for those players? Not quite so black and white.

                                Oh, and the Giannis draft they didn't have a pick at all (was traded for Lowry), and just didn't like the price to trade in. If they were sure Giannis was going to be Giannis, they'd have paid any price, but of course they weren't sure.
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