Everything 2023 Draft

[grindhouse]

you need to have studied the game for over 30 years like grindhouse for this to make sense.

once you gain that deep level of understanding you will realize that there are two models and two models only, both archaic. plus the warriors. or something. i didn't quite follow but i am not a student of the game

lol what an all-time series of posts, thank you for sharing your insight grindhouse

i know you young bucks dont get it. and probably honest dont care to get it.




on offense what is the goal? to scorer…no brainer right. the avg center scores at above 50% at the rim. the avg 3 point scorer is what 35% not exact numbers for the nerbs but you get the point.




what is the best shot in the game? a open one makes sense but sense is not common.




guards from high school to college have to little man complex. they look at the bigs as slow uncoordinated and they think even their bad shots are good shot yo big go get the rebound. (fred mentality this *insert bad word* has to go at all cost)




big is happy on offense, he plays better defence because he is invested. ( knowledge for you point guards)




the goal of every single action is to create a scoring opportunity. which makes everyone a threat.




down screen either block from big to off ball shooter has to be defended. why because the big doesnt have to fight as hard to get to the block because he is going their as a screener and can seal more effectively because they have to make a decisions. that 35% shooter now becomes a 80% open shooter if he gets clear. so 35% and 50% turns into 80% and 80%.




in this action you now give the point guard multi options. pass to the shooter, pass to the big, go down hill , 2 man game or 3 man game with the forward or small forward drill pull back ect ect ect f*cking ect. they switch (mismatch)




if your SG doesnt have the ability to shack the defender of the screen by going either way. if the screen from your big is lazy. if the ball goes down low and they send the foward to double and the pass from the block to the free throw line right or left side and that forward or small forward doesnt have the skill set to hit that open jimmy at a 80% clip. which they should.




those that can run in the half court will always dominate. why you think the triangle was such a success everyone says jordan. the real answer is everyone was a treat at all times. you defended the screen, defend the cut, defend the cut defend the post up, defend the post up defend the 3 point line then defend the cut defend the screen again.




this is not rocket science!!!!!




slow the f down stop trying to out run everyone

[Kagemusha]

100%. You are either selling wins or you're selling hope. A run-it-back team is selling neither. In Masai's case, wins are even at another level..... he's selling championships. I doubt even the biggest Raps homer sees championship potential in this current run-it-back squad. Dvdvideo - Am I right?

A middling squad could breed fan apathy. MLSE needs to understand that an up & coming hungry young team could actually generate more excitement and sizzle, than a 5th seed ceiling team, with selfish guys looking like they are playing just to get paid.

I hope they won't use Miami as an example of how any team can do damage in the playoffs.

[Dvdvideo]

100%. You are either selling wins or you're selling hope. A run-it-back team is selling neither. In Masai's case, wins are even at another level..... he's selling championships. I doubt even the biggest Raps homer sees championship potential in this current run-it-back squad. Dvdvideo - Am I right?

A middling squad could breed fan apathy. MLSE needs to understand that an up & coming hungry young team could actually generate more excitement and sizzle, than a 5th seed ceiling team, with selfish guys looking like they are playing just to get paid.

I don't know......I do see the logic in.a reset but a full blow it up will piss off scottie and then what? 5 years later we are great? Maybe? No guarantees that route either.

I think im still on board with trades that improve our chemistry and attitude. Or resigning plus maybe a trade or 2, plus the new coach. Unlike some, I still see huge value in keeping og and siakam, they are both exceptional 2 way players. Vanvleet can go, but maybe we should sign him just to get value out of a trade.

I'd probably rather watch the raps make it one or 2 rounds into the playoffs than be a lottery team that might get better.

[LJ2]

Not sure if it's rumor or fact, but I've seen more than one report now that the Raps have called Houston about their 4th pick in the draft. Not sure why Houston would have any interest since they still seem to be rebuilding and don't need to rush by bringing in vets. Interesting from the Raps perspective though if true. Are they actually considering retooling around Scottie?

[planetmars]

Not sure if it's rumor or fact, but I've seen more than one report now that the Raps have called Houston about their 4th pick in the draft. Not sure why Houston would have any interest since they still seem to be rebuilding and don't need to rush by bringing in vets. Interesting from the Raps perspective though if true. Are they actually considering retooling around Scottie?

Houston doesn't have their pick next year. They need to start winning right away. And Harden seems like a lock to rejoin the Rockets this summer. It's basically a done deal from what I gather. So they probably want to pair Harden with another win now player.

[WJF]

Not sure if it's rumor or fact, but I've seen more than one report now that the Raps have called Houston about their 4th pick in the draft. Not sure why Houston would have any interest since they still seem to be rebuilding and don't need to rush by bringing in vets. Interesting from the Raps perspective though if true. Are they actually considering retooling around Scottie?

If they think they can sign Harden and can a vet to go with him and their young talent it could be worth exploring as a franchise. (if I'm Houston)

If they Add Harden and keep Sengun, Jabari Smith Jr., and one of Jalen Green or Kevin Porter with an allstar level vet could that be a playoff team?

They can dangle the pick and Kenyan Martin Jr., one of Porter or Green, with fillers like Tari Eason, Ty Ty Washington, and Usman Garuba in a package. Are any of those guys I want on the Raptors? Maybe Eason? But him and 4 don't get Houston Pascal or OG.

[golden]

If they think they can sign Harden and can a vet to go with him and their young talent it could be worth exploring as a franchise. (if I'm Houston)

If they Add Harden and keep Sengun, Jabari Smith Jr., and one of Jalen Green or Kevin Porter with an allstar level vet could that be a playoff team?

They can dangle the pick and Kenyan Martin Jr., one of Porter or Green, with fillers like Tari Eason, Ty Ty Washington, and Usman Garuba in a package. Are any of those guys I want on the Raptors? Maybe Eason? But him and 4 don't get Houston Pascal or OG.

Rockets need a bunch of trades. They have cap space, picks and lot of interesting young pieces, but they don’t seem a fit together. Perfect opportunity for a GM to come in and make a ton of savvy moves.

[LJ2]

Houston doesn't have their pick next year. They need to start winning right away. And Harden seems like a lock to rejoin the Rockets this summer. It's basically a done deal from what I gather. So they probably want to pair Harden with another win now player.

The Harden back to Houston rumor is another one that makes no sense to me. He's 33 and wants to go back to Houston and play with a bunch of young guys in the hopes of winning a title? And Houston wants him back for what reason...he's shown he can't be the main guy on a championship team. Houston would have to trade all their young talent as well as the 4th pick to surround a 33 year old guy that can't carry a team to a championship, with vets.

[DanH]

Not sure if it's rumor or fact, but I've seen more than one report now that the Raps have called Houston about their 4th pick in the draft. Not sure why Houston would have any interest since they still seem to be rebuilding and don't need to rush by bringing in vets. Interesting from the Raps perspective though if true. Are they actually considering retooling around Scottie?

Houston is also rumoured to be going after Harden this summer. They might really be thinking they can add him and another star via trade and try to start winning and then keep winning as their young core grows up.

[planetmars]

The Harden back to Houston rumor is another one that makes no sense to me. He's 33 and wants to go back to Houston and play with a bunch of young guys in the hopes of winning a title? And Houston wants him back for what reason...he's shown he can't be the main guy on a championship team. Houston would have to trade all their young talent as well as the 4th pick to surround a 33 year old guy that can't carry a team to a championship, with vets.

Yeah it doesn't make much sense from a basketball perspective. Lots of Colangelo like moves from them I bet this summer. But ultimately I think it comes down to ownership and money. Harden will get more eyeballs in stands than a bunch of kids would. Harden can then try and average triple doubles again and do all the stuff he used to do when he was there a few years back.

From a draft perspective.. it might not be the greatest draft. I think there will be a kid of two that will end up being really good. But I don't think you can pencil in who that will be by the time you make your selection. That 4th pick could end up being as good or worse than the 10th or 11th pick. And if Houston can trade that pick for a good player in their prime it might be worth it for them.

I still think they're paying attention to the Jaylen Brown situation in Boston. Even if Boston wins it all I think they still try and make a play for him.

[LJ2]

Yeah it doesn't make much sense from a basketball perspective. Lots of Colangelo like moves from them I bet this summer. But ultimately I think it comes down to ownership and money. Harden will get more eyeballs in stands than a bunch of kids would. Harden can then try and average triple doubles again and do all the stuff he used to do when he was there a few years back.

From a draft perspective.. it might not be the greatest draft. I think there will be a kid of two that will end up being really good. But I don't think you can pencil in who that will be by the time you make your selection. That 4th pick could end up being as good or worse than the 10th or 11th pick. And if Houston can trade that pick for a good player in their prime it might be worth it for them.

I still think they're paying attention to the Jaylen Brown situation in Boston. Even if Boston wins it all I think they still try and make a play for him.

Valid, I just don't buy that their ownership is that shortsighted.

And they don't even have their Colangelo (Morey) any more. The rumors could just be drummed up because that's just what happens whenever a big free agent is hitting the market.

The only thing I'm interested in is whether the Raps really made that call or not and what it could mean for the direction of the team.

[DanH]

Valid, I just don't buy that their ownership is that shortsighted.

And they don't even have their Colangelo (Morey) any more. The rumors could just be drummed up because that's just what happens whenever a big free agent is hitting the market.

The only thing I'm interested in is whether the Raps really made that call or not and what it could mean for the direction of the team.

Morey isn't really a Colangelo type.

I'm sure the Raptors make calls all the time about everything, it means nothing for the direction of the franchise. Of course they might trade guys for picks, that's a possibility every year. Them making the call probably happens every year too. Rarely becomes anything, but could still become something this year! Or not.

[Primer]

The Harden back to Houston rumor is another one that makes no sense to me. He's 33 and wants to go back to Houston and play with a bunch of young guys in the hopes of winning a title? And Houston wants him back for what reason...he's shown he can't be the main guy on a championship team. Houston would have to trade all their young talent as well as the 4th pick to surround a 33 year old guy that can't carry a team to a championship, with vets.

It makes sense from a personal standpoint. Harden has a home and a business in Houston and wants to live in Houston. Pretty simple. He has more reasons to be in Houston than Kawhi does LA.

So he can get paid top dollar to live where he wants to live and go after another scoring title with very little pressure for team success.

Not to mention Houston has cap space and assets to bring in another star like Pascal to play with him.

[planetmars]

Valid, I just don't buy that their ownership is that shortsighted.

And they don't even have their Colangelo (Morey) any more. The rumors could just be drummed up because that's just what happens whenever a big free agent is hitting the market.

The only thing I'm interested in is whether the Raps really made that call or not and what it could mean for the direction of the team.

Fertita (Rockets owner) is a billionaire but also pretty cheap. I think the bottom line is really important to him.

Good article about him here:
https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2020/3/...ts-owner-covid

Did the Raps leak the rumour or is this coming from the Rockets who might have interest in OG/Pascal? You have to take a lot of that stuff with a grain of salt around draft time.

[DanH]

Fertita (Rockets owner) is a billionaire but also pretty cheap. I think the bottom line is really important to him.

Good article about him here:
https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2020/3/...ts-owner-covid

Did the Raps leak the rumour or is this coming from the Rockets who might have interest in OG/Pascal? You have to take a lot of that stuff with a grain of salt around draft time.

Sure seems like a Raps leak. Drumming up interest. Similar to all the rumours around the deadline. Didn't amount to much then, who knows about this time around.