Everything Trade Deadline 2023

[Superjudge]

The only way he gets a bigger role is if he gets traded to bad teams like CLT or Detroit because if you have championship aspirations, you can't him as a #1 or a #2 or even a #3. It's just the truth.

Untrue man, if you're saying he can't be a 3rd option. Thats kinda crazy.

[TrueTorontoFan]

Terrence Mann is definitely an interesting piece… I’m a little surprised Philly isn’t trying to get in on OG, could offer Harris + Maxey and a pick or Harris + Milton and 2 picks (do they have picks?).

i dont like having to pay someone soon like Mann but I lik him.

[TrueTorontoFan]

Didn't realize Indiana has shown some interest in OG. Obviously Mathurin would be our target or even Turner maybe. I wonder how Turner's recent extension and salary restructuring would impact a trade he was involved in.

Disappointed there is no mention of Sacramento on that list. They've got some nice pieces the Raps could be interested in.

they have their picks tied up from 24-26 until one conveys to the hawks.

[Primer]

Same suitors? OG will get more in return now than a year from now. Teams much rather two playoff runs under contract than one

Not a year from now, months from now in the offseason. He could easily get a better return then than he would now.

OKC isn't contending this year but they probably want to try next season. They'd be far more open to an offseason OG deal than they would right now. That's just one example. I feel the same way about Detroit, Indiana, Orlando, and a few others.

OG will also be a hot commodity at the draft just like he was this past season.

100% guaranteed we get a better return for Fred and Gary now than in the offseason. OG not so much because he's under contract next season. No urgency at all to move OG unless the offer is amazing.

[Primer]

i dont like having to pay someone soon like Mann but I lik him.

Mann is under contract for 2 more seasons after this one ($11M per year), you won't have to pay him soon.

[golden]

maybe will lou is still be lurking on these boards. from his 10 things yesterday:

i think jama mahlalela was an underrated loss on the player development front

But aren't defined roles completely opposite to the position-less philosophy, where everybody does everything? That might not be the best system to break in lower IQ guys... i.e. bench players.

Perhaps Nurse/Bobby/Masai got spoiled by having a collection of super-high IQ guys on one team, combined with the initial success of Nurse's defensive schemes, and maybe they thought they could extend those ideas into a broader team building concept.

Losing Jama was big, I agree. The players just rave about him. But then, we brought in Rico and Earl which should've made up for that. Who knows.

Or maybe it's as simple as Lowry + Bench... where Lowry made bench guys look way better than they actually were, for years.

[The Great One]

maybe will lou is still be lurking on these boards. from his 10 things yesterday:



i think jama mahlalela was an underrated loss on the player development front

Or maybe golden is Will Lou.

[chris]

But aren't defined roles completely opposite to the position-less philosophy, where everybody does everything? That might not be the best system to break in lower IQ guys... i.e. bench players.

agree the role definition is pretty antithetical to the approach the team has taken in recent years. it hasn't been working great imo, with some guys doing a bit too much at times.

Perhaps Nurse/Bobby/Masai got spoiled by having a collection of super-high IQ guys on one team, combined with the initial success of Nurse's defensive schemes, and maybe they thought they could extend those ideas into a broader team building concept.

Losing Jama was big, I agree. The players just rave about him. But then, we brought in Rico and Earl which should've made up for that. Who knows.

Or maybe it's as simple as Lowry + Bench... where Lowry made bench guys look way better than they actually were, for years.

probably a confluence of these things. i think scottie clearly has the potential to prop up bench units.

[DanH]

The only way he gets a bigger role is if he gets traded to bad teams like CLT or Detroit because if you have championship aspirations, you can't him as a #1 or a #2 or even a #3. It's just the truth.

I mean, if they trade Gary and Fred, OG's role will increase immediately.

[planetmars]

But aren't defined roles completely opposite to the position-less philosophy, where everybody does everything? That might not be the best system to break in lower IQ guys... i.e. bench players.

Perhaps Nurse/Bobby/Masai got spoiled by having a collection of super-high IQ guys on one team, combined with the initial success of Nurse's defensive schemes, and maybe they thought they could extend those ideas into a broader team building concept.

Losing Jama was big, I agree. The players just rave about him. But then, we brought in Rico and Earl which should've made up for that. Who knows.

Or maybe it's as simple as Lowry + Bench... where Lowry made bench guys look way better than they actually were, for years.

Is Rico potentially a terrible assistant coach? Wasn't he with the Kings before he got here? Has he ever been with a successful program? Maybe his runs are not good for player development and Pascal is just a freak.

[MixxAOR]

Is Rico potentially a terrible assistant coach? Wasn't he with the Kings before he got here? Has he ever been with a successful program? Maybe his runs are not good for player development and Pascal is just a freak.

Raptors hired Pascal's brother to coaching staff in 905. Rico hire is just to keep Siakam happy.

[Bonus Jonas]

From PG13 to Jimmy Butler to CP3 etc etc all have worked with Rico at his runs

He’s not gonna be involved with the X’s and O’s, but I’m sure his runs aren’t detrimental

[DanH]

Not a year from now, months from now in the offseason. He could easily get a better return then than he would now.

OKC isn't contending this year but they probably want to try next season. They'd be far more open to an offseason OG deal than they would right now. That's just one example. I feel the same way about Detroit, Indiana, Orlando, and a few others.

OG will also be a hot commodity at the draft just like he was this past season.

100% guaranteed we get a better return for Fred and Gary now than in the offseason. OG not so much because he's under contract next season. No urgency at all to move OG unless the offer is amazing.

If you are hoping to get draft assets for OG, it is also helpful to wait for the draft because then you can arrange a trade where you know exactly what pick you are getting and even if they guy you want is still there, and can even execute the deal in FA when it is way easier to deal with salary matching because of all the cap room.

Lots of reasons to not trade OG at the deadline. But there is at least one good reason to: the receiving team gets two guaranteed years (of playoffs anyway) of OG, rather than one, and may pay more given that.

Best course of action is of course to keep OG, assuming he isn't actively asking out.

[golden]

Are we really gonna get shafted by the Spurs again? Must be a deal with the devil that we still owe them for Kawhi.

[MixxAOR]

Are we really gonna get shafted by the Spurs again? Must be a deal with the devil that we still owe them for Kawhi.

might get awkward