Everything Trade Deadline 2023

[chris]

Here was the deal:

• Warriors receive: Gary Payton II (via Blazers)
• Pistons receive: James Wiseman (via Warriors)
• Trail Blazers receive: Kevin Knox (via Pistons), five future second-round picks (via Hawks)
• Hawks receive: Saddiq Bey (via Pistons)

4 teams get screwed over.

But usually what happens is the team receiving the "injured" player gets added compensation. Like a 2nd rounder. We'll see what happens.

[MixxAOR]

don't give Nurse any ideas

[planetmars]

wow Gary Payton failed his physical. Whole deal might collapse

Here was the deal:

• Warriors receive: Gary Payton II (via Blazers)
• Pistons receive: James Wiseman (via Warriors)
• Trail Blazers receive: Kevin Knox (via Pistons), five future second-round picks (via Hawks)
• Hawks receive: Saddiq Bey (via Pistons)

4 teams get screwed over.

But usually what happens is the team receiving the "injured" player gets added compensation. Like a 2nd rounder. We'll see what happens.

[MixxAOR]

wow Gary Payton failed his physical. Whole deal might collapse

[Kagemusha]

For Ringer and other media outlets its easy to say let's make a trade with bad return and be bad for the pick. But for the people in the situation that decision is never easy.

For Raptors they needed to make a trade to sell it to Siakam so he can see the commitment to winning and to get picks or prospects to grow with Scottie into the future. There was no deals like that.

Correct.
I stopped blaming Masai and co after seeing the lowball offers.
Insulting, tbh.

Our players should use that as motivation.
This is how other teams value them.

[Demographic Shift]

What's with the incessant cherry picking of walker Kessler? Why not bring up Branham, the guy that went with our pick? Oh right, he sucks. Stupid what if we had picked the best value under the radar guy in the draft that 20 other teams didn't hypothetical. How far back in time should we go with these what if scenarios?

So you're super positive that we are a much better team with Poeltl, moving us from 6th worst to a solid playoff team? That's how I'm reading it. If so it was a good trade. I don't think there was any chance we end up 6th worst, we were already in the 9th slot at the deadline and have the easiest schedule for the rest of the season.

I've also looked at this draft and guys projected to go 6 or 7 have gigantic question marks in their games. I think guys will go in the teens that will end up better than those going 5-10.

I think there is more opportunity cost left by trading OG at the deadline as opposed to the offseason. For the exact reasons I've laid out multiple times. The offseason will add teams like OKC and Utah to the mix who have the assets we covet, picks and young players. We would have completely missed out on their offers by dealing OG at the deadline, huge lost opportunity cost.

What's with the incessant cherry picking of walker Kessler? Why not bring up Branham, the guy that went with our pick? Oh right, he sucks. Stupid what if we had picked the best value under the radar guy in the draft that 20 other teams didn't hypothetical. How far back in time should we go with these what if scenarios?
I have mentioned Kessler exactly once. Today. In the post you are responding to.

So you're super positive that we are a much better team with Poeltl, moving us from 6th worst to a solid playoff team? That's how I'm reading it. If so it was a good trade. I don't think there was any chance we end up 6th worst, we were already in the 9th slot at the deadline and have the easiest schedule for the rest of the season.
I didn't say that you did.
There is a very good chance we could have finished as low as 6. Today we sit in 9th. One game from 6th.

I've also looked at this draft and guys projected to go 6 or 7 have gigantic question marks in their games. I think guys will go in the teens that will end up better than those going 5-10.
Its the draft. There is a degree of risk in any player selected. Most are just 19. Its within the range of outcomes that players selected in the teens are better than those selected at 4 thru 8. Its just not a high probability. Thats why we trade for lottery picks and not those in the high 20s.

I think there is more opportunity cost left by trading OG at the deadline as opposed to the offseason. For the exact reasons I've laid out multiple times. The offseason will add teams like OKC and Utah to the mix who have the assets we covet, picks and young players. We would have completely missed out on their offers by dealing OG at the deadline, huge lost opportunity cost.

Thats not exactly how opportunity cost is viewed but I understand where you are coming from. We will have to agree to disagree on how big the loss was at the deadline.

[The Claw Reborn]

I would like to seek golden’s advise on how to flag old posts so in case we may need them in the offseason, we can point it out and say I fucking told you so. Lol.

Just like going back to the first three pages of “everything threads” are quiet hilarious.

This time, the last 10 pages of this trade deadline following 3 pm yesterday could be useful down the road

[A.I]

I'll take the sarcasm as a nod that others also are scratching their heads on just WTF happened to Toronto over a 12 hour period

We all were scratching our heads until the reports came out about the offers teams had for Fred and OG. Front office made the right choice not trading them.

[MixxAOR]

For Ringer and other media outlets its easy to say let's make a trade with bad return and be bad for the pick. But for the people in the situation that decision is never easy.

For Raptors they needed to make a trade to sell it to Siakam so he can see the commitment to winning and to get picks or prospects to grow with Scottie into the future. There was no deals like that.

[Demographic Shift]

Oh, please don't say the Ringer didn't like what our front office did! Not the Ringer! Fire them now if that's the case.

I'll take the sarcasm as a nod that others also are scratching their heads on just WTF happened to Toronto over a 12 hour period

[A.I]

It's pretty obvious teams wanted to lowball us because they thought Raptors will have to tank. Raptors are not in that situation though. They are bad but players are committed despite that.

Signing Fred in off-season is also not terrible from asset management position. Retain an asset, trade him later.

Yup. Fred has been picking up his game recently. If he finishes the season like this and not him struggling, there will be teams that will want Fred with a longer contract than just half a season.

[MixxAOR]

It's pretty obvious teams wanted to lowball us because they thought Raptors will have to tank. Raptors are not in that situation though. They are bad but players are committed despite that.

Signing Fred in off-season is also not terrible from asset management position. Retain an asset, trade him later.

[DanH]

Another recap outside of the Toronto bubble from the ringer on the pratfall the Raps took on deadline day.
2023 NBA Trade Deadline Winners and Losers - The Ringer

Losers: Chicago Bulls and Toronto Raptors


These are not good teams! And even with the Nets no longer being a looming bogeyman in the East, neither one is going to do anything in this year’s playoffs anyway. The Raptors step out of the deadline as buyers, which is odd because they walked in looking to sell. They clearly think Jakob Poeltl can be their long-term difference maker at center, and that belief may not be wrong. They need an interior presence on both ends, even if he isn’t the best fit next to Scottie Barnes.

But to apparently believe they can re-sign Fred VanVleet and Gary Trent Jr. this summer is a different matter. (Both can be unrestricted free agents in a few months, and since Toronto is not good with them, an expensive reinvestment doesn’t make the most sense.) Were the offers for OG Anunoby really that far below what Masai Ujiri wanted right now? Did they cool after Kevin Durant went to the Suns? Curious stuff!

Oh, please don't say the Ringer didn't like what our front office did! Not the Ringer! Fire them now if that's the case.

[DanH]

The thing about the offseason and FA is that there is no irrevocable best before date and time that you have to act by. .. as the song says...it goes on and on and on. You cant trade Fred or Gary or Jak until you actually get a signature on a contract post the end of the free agent moratorium. That could be on the day the moratorium lifts or well into the new season in July. OG isn't an FA but this years draft will have happened and teams sense of urgency is pretty low after they add an FA or a draft pick. A little more lets see what we got here attitude is evident. Draft night trades featuring established players do happen... but not as many as at the trade deadline.

The february trade deadline is different. You gotta decide on or before 3PM Eastern on a specific date. Urgency is high. The playoffs are in sight. In year draft picks as well as subsequent year are very much in play depending on where you are in the playoff hunt or the tank cycle. And sellers have more leverage. After the trade deadline that leverage has dissipated or just gone. Teams who might take a risk to get that one player that they believe gets them out of the first round or second round or even to the dance is gone.

That.. .and as BrydenB points out we bungled the Poeltl trade. We took on a player that will in all likelihood lower the asset value of this years pick .. instead of potentially picking in the lottery with a chance to move "up" in the draft....we might now be in mid to high teens. Exacerbating that boo-boo is we traded next years FRP to inflict that hurt on ourselves. Thats just a poor decision.

We could have fixed that at the deadline... but it didn't happen.

If we made no moves we were going to end up winning a lot more games and messing up that draft pick. We had to actively make moves to make the team worse to catch back up to that bottom 6 range we touched on earlier.

[Primer]

Part of moving Fred specifically (even if you think the offers were a bit low) is the benefit of not having to pay an aging, physically breaking down Fred. I would absolutely have taken Mann without the first rounder to not have to decide on a price for Fred.

They wouldn't include Mann. The offer was Kennard and Boston.