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Game #47 Boston at Tampa Saturday January 21st 5:00(!) pm...yes, 5:00pm. Read that part again. 5:00pm. Five. On, you guessed it, TSN 5. I didn't even know that existed.
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planetmars wrote: View PostAnother epic loss. I am adamant that coaching doesn't matter.. and I do agree in the big picture. Talent surpasses coaching always. But man Nurse really f@cked this one up. I mean they had the ball, Grant goes down, so it was a man advantage.. and Nurse called a timeout.
Then he thought he could challenge a jump ball (you can't). And blamed the ref for having to burn a timeout to do it.
Flynn was a -11 in 5 minutes. Boucher -18 in 19 minutes. Bench scored 14.. and Thad had to score 8, but was basically a starter when OG went down.
This team is not getting better than 7th in the draft even if no moves get made. They might surpass Washington to get to 6th.. but that's really it we're in that 7-6-5 bracket. I don't think we get below Orlando.
Soft tank again or just blow up the team? I'm not even really sure. These guys just lose anyway.
But yeah.. could have used some defense from Barnes in this one. He switched roles from Pascal after that Minny game. Just allows guys to take 3's like its practice. And gets blown by all the time at the perimeter.
Precious was great. Pascal was great (minus the last 1-2 minutes). OG did a good job on Brown. Gary was pretty good too, except for that blown layup in dying seconds. How do you miss that one?
there was once a time when being 'orlando magic bad' meant something different than just being a regular struggling team. it indicated you were an organization with net negative talent and unless the opposing teams entire starting lineup died in a freak gasoline fight accident, they were at least gonna beat orlando.
now raptors are literally only a few losses away before reaching orlando magic bad!
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JawsGT wrote: View PostGrant Williams is awesome. The Celtics are a championship level team, like we were in 2019. We could miss kawhi and keep rolling just like this Celtics team can roll without Tatum, especially against mediocre competition like this Raps team. The Celtics are a team of pros, the Raps are just fcuking around. They're playing to win chips, we are just trying to get to the offseason as soon as possible. What a joke of a season.
Time to clean house before Barnes gets ruined. Sweet Christ, why does he set up so close to his man on the perimeter? He's got the length to contest a shot, give the ball handler some space and invite him to shoot. I can't believe it, it's like he wants to get the d rotating. Has anyone on staff pointed this out to him? WTF is going on?!?
Big changes had better be coming. Dumpster fire ball team, bunch of fcuking bums. Strip it bare. Fuck Fred, Gary, Pascal, og, Bo Cruz, young, porter, Flynn, birch, boucher, banton, and downtin. And nick nurse too. Fuck them all.
Barnes wants to play on a TEAM, not whatever this shit is. Get him a TEAM to play with.
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slaw wrote: View Post
That’s the tactic the coach wants. Aggressive ball pressure.
I feel bad for Barnes, og and pascal...those 3 are getting royally screwed this season. Pascal and og deserve better and should be moved by the offseason for what should be a great return. Reset around Barnes, possibly precious and koloko, the rest can go the way of the dodo for all I care, including nurse.
There is literally no reason to watch raptors basketball right now. Watch to cheer for a win? No. Watch to see development of young players? No. Watch to see a team push for the playoffs? No. Watch to see an all nba caliber season go to waste? Yes. Watch to see poor execution? Yes. Watch to see bad chemistry? Yes. Watch to see nobody enjoying their jobs? Yes. Watch to see lazy defence? Yes.
This team is an absolute joke right now. I thought we were through with all that nonsense after BC was punted. Nevermind the treadmill talk, since Masai came on board we've only enjoyed hard working teams that wanted to win, regardless of how capable they were. This incarnation of the raptors aint it. They dont want to win, they dont support or believe in each other. Time to tear it down.
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Meh….it was a decent performance by this team last night
although It was a loss but the breaks of the game went Boston’s way when it mattered most.
For the Raptors to only give up 106 points to a Boston team who is averaging 118ppg is actually not bad. Granting Tatum was out but Pritchard nailed a lot of those open contested threes, he always shows up against the Raptors for some reason. Raptor killer.
Unlike the Raptors who gave up 128 points (with VanVleet) the other night against a severely depleted Minny without Gobert and KAT, last night against the Celtics (without VanVleet) was satisfying. Starters were pluses but the bench totally underwhelmed with double digits minuses.
OG going down was a major blow to them winning the game. Having old man Thad and Pylon Flynn out there didn’t help in a major way. Big drop off.
Overall, dynamic showing by the starters to begin the game until OG’s mishap. Rewind those wins agains SanAntonio and Atlanta (without VanVleet) in their glory days this season when Pascal/ OG/ Trent and Scottie were posting double digits pluses across the board.
takes at least a bigger sample size to develop chemistry.
Bottomline….addition by subtraction. Trading VanVleet and getting a number of young players and hopefully a FRP would improve the bench in a big way.
Just start trading VanVleet and go from there.
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JawsGT wrote: View PostTime to clean house before Barnes gets ruined. Sweet Christ, why does he set up so close to his man on the perimeter? He's got the length to contest a shot, give the ball handler some space and invite him to shoot. I can't believe it, it's like he wants to get the d rotating. Has anyone on staff pointed this out to him? WTF is going on?!?
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Scottie overly pressing up on ball handlers is probably due to Nurse’s pressure defense schemes to force turnovers. That should be easily coached out, but hopefully not too late before it becomes a bad habit.
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golden wrote: View Post
Barnes was considered one of the best defensive prospects to come out of the draft in years. And Nurse has done a crap job of developing that side of his game to the point where half the people you poll would actually say he’s a bad defender.
Scottie overly pressing up on ball handlers is probably due to Nurse’s pressure defense schemes to force turnovers. That should be easily coached out, but hopefully not too late before it becomes a bad habit.
He was widely considered incredibly raw across the board. Rightly so.
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Primer wrote: View Post
No you're starting to make things up to suit your narrative. Barnes was compared to magic Johnson.
Prospect of Interest: Why Scottie Barnes is the best defender in the draft
Florida State freshman Scottie Barnes is an elite-level defender with playmaking chops that, at his size and natural position, have people comparing him to a young Draymond Green-like player who could thrive in today’s position-less NBA
The best defender in the draft
With all due respect to another outstanding defender in Baylor guard Davion Mitchell, Barnes is the best defender in this draft class by a fair good margin.
Part of the NBA draft process is watching prospects and comparing them to current or former players. Whether it’s similar measurements, body mechanics or play styles, rarely does a player come through that doesn’t at least remind you of someone else.
Florida State’s Scottie Barnes is slated to go somewhere in the top ten in next month’s draft and from the moment he stepped on the floor at the NCAA level, he instantly drew comparisons to the Warriors’ Draymond Green.
All of his attributes as a player are very reminiscent of the Green, but the comparisons don’t stop there. Barnes plays with a similar fire and energy to Green, even if it gets both players in a little trouble on occasion.
Magic on offense. Draymond on defense.
That was the defensive potential. Nurse hasn't unlocked Barnes defensive potential yet.
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golden wrote: View Post
Prime, you're a great poster, but you turn into Kyrie Irving whenever somebody criticizes Nick Nurse.
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article...efender-draft/
https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/wa...een-comparison
Magic on offense. Draymond on defense.
That was the defensive potential. Nurse hasn't unlocked Barnes defensive potential yet.
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golden wrote: View Post
Prime, you're a great poster, but you turn into Kyrie Irving whenever somebody criticizes Nick Nurse.
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article...efender-draft/
https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/wa...een-comparison
Magic on offense. Draymond on defense.
That was the defensive potential. Nurse hasn't unlocked Barnes defensive potential yet.
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