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  • Nilanka
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    Other Scott wrote: View Post
    The reason Korver shoots so few threes is not necessarily him being super selective, but rather the opposing defenses basically have to build their scheme around preventing Korver from getting good 3 point opportunities.
    Or better yet, Korver knows NOT to force shots....something the Raptors have yet to learn this season 50 games in.

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  • S.R.
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    Other Scott wrote: View Post
    The reason Korver shoots so few threes is not necessarily him being super selective, but rather the opposing defenses basically have to build their scheme around preventing Korver from getting good 3 point opportunities.
    Shhhh don't tell Terrence Ross

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  • Superjudge
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    he'd shoot um if he had um.

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  • Other Scott
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    tDotted wrote: View Post
    speaking of threes, GV and Lou both attempt more threes per 36 than Kyle Korver.

    (Lou career: 34%
    GV career: 35%
    Korver career: 43%)
    The reason Korver shoots so few threes is not necessarily him being super selective, but rather the opposing defenses basically have to build their scheme around preventing Korver from getting good 3 point opportunities.

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  • Superjudge
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    soooo korver averages about 1.5 points better per game.

    not really as big a difference as you think.

    if they all shoot ten.....

    korver hits 4
    the other two hit three.

    meh

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  • tDotted
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    speaking of threes, GV and Lou both attempt more threes per 36 than Kyle Korver.

    (Lou career: 34%
    GV career: 35%
    Korver career: 43%)
    Last edited by tDotted; Thu Feb 5, 2015, 12:43 PM.

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  • psrs1
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    2kfeen wrote: View Post
    Yea this is not playoff basketball. This is 6th seed, first round exit basketball
    The talent is definately there. JV should be putting up 15-10 a game easily.

    I dont mind good mid-range jumpshots. Open jumpshots off pindowns, a lot of space, etc.
    But not turnaround long 2s, off the dribble, praying for some magic
    By this poor shot selection we are essentially handing victory to our opponents with all the easy looks in transition/fast break.

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  • cinqueda
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    3inthekeon wrote: View Post
    We're league average at making 3's.
    imagine if we got good looks at the 3 ball...

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  • cinqueda
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    3inthekeon wrote: View Post
    Don't like the 3?

    First 2 years under Casey, Raptors were average/below average in attempting 3's.
    Nurse arrived last year and we took 250 more 3's than the year before - 11th in the league in attempts.
    This year, we're 9th in attempts.
    How much is Casey, how much Nurse, how much personnel - no clue.

    Lack of passing?

    This is Kyle's 9th year in the league.
    The first 6 years, he had an AST % over 30 once, working with multiple coaches.
    His 3 years here - 34.6, 34.7, 34.7, the 3 highest of his career.
    Compare that to Chris Paul who has never had an AST% as low as Kyle's best, been over 40% 9 of his 10 years and over 50% twice.
    but nurse's vipers did nothing but 3's and layups they also passed up contested 3's to the next guy for a more open 3 and yes his personell suited it better they always had at least 3 decent 3p shooters.

    lowry's a good passer but doesn't seem very adaptive he seems to make up his mind on what he's doing then nothing will change it

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  • 3inthekeon
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    We're league average at making 3's.

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  • cinqueda
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    MixxAOR wrote: View Post
    Analytics bruh. 3>2 where you been
    only true if you make the shot, looking at the nets game: 25/46 from 2 10/33 from 3, so 54% from 2 30% from 3 30% of 3 is 0.9, 0.54% of 2 is 1.08, so until we start taking efficient 3's, it's actually better for us to shoot 2's, and this stat includes the terrible long 2's we always take if we could eliminate those too it'd be even more obvious, the problem with our offence well there's plenty

    1, it's not an offence it's a bunch of guards trying to get theirs.
    2, bigs get pulled for mistakes but guards don't (I know I'm hating on guards but I like DD Lowry(pre #nbaballot) and Ross a lot, but it's largely the guards fault.)
    3, long 2's and contested 3's mean not only lower chances of going in, but also long rebounds we can't gather and transition points for opponents.
    4, Lowry become obsessed with lobs down the floor for whatever reason.
    5, everyone knows what's coming.
    6, we run stupid crazy help everywhere defence and players are all to tired to be effective on offence.
    7, we don't adjust to the teams we're playing, ever. do they have a weak centre and strong long guard? give the ball to DD and let him ruin his shooting percentage.
    8, I know I said we don't adjust but we actually to, just the wrong way we let opponents dictate the game and match it.
    9, when we're up big we dribble the clock down and shoot long 3's that miss until opponents catch up,
    10, when we're down big we shoot long 3's that miss early in the shot clock until opponents run away with it.

    that's all I can think of now, I want to go back to horns, ice pnr's, more off ball screens, more passing more open shots, you know proffesional basketball stuff.

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  • golden
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    godkingleonidas wrote: View Post
    Unless you're "Pounding The Rock".

    Einstein meet Casey... lol

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  • 3inthekeon
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    magoon wrote: View Post
    It's worth pointing out here that at 34.7%, Kyle's AST% is solidly in the top quarter of guards in this league. Point guards who have lower AST% than Kyle: Jrue Holiday, Damian Lillard, Tony Parker, Mike Conley, Goran Dragic, Eric Bledsoe, even Jose Calderon.
    True, just trying to point out playmaking isn't something that comes naturally to Kyle. Conley, Dragic, Lilliard are similar. Holiday is another one, but the past 2 years were better than Kyles best. Parker and Jose are in serious decline, Jose also has the "benefit" of teammates who can'rt score.

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  • magoon
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    3inthekeon wrote: View Post
    Lack of passing?

    This is Kyle's 9th year in the league.
    The first 6 years, he had an AST % over 30 once, working with multiple coaches.
    His 3 years here - 34.6, 34.7, 34.7, the 3 highest of his career.
    Compare that to Chris Paul who has never had an AST% as low as Kyle's best, been over 40% 9 of his 10 years and over 50% twice.
    It's worth pointing out here that at 34.7%, Kyle's AST% is solidly in the top quarter of guards in this league. Point guards who have lower AST% than Kyle: Jrue Holiday, Damian Lillard, Tony Parker, Mike Conley, Goran Dragic, Eric Bledsoe, even Jose Calderon.

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  • 3inthekeon
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    Don't like the 3?

    First 2 years under Casey, Raptors were average/below average in attempting 3's.
    Nurse arrived last year and we took 250 more 3's than the year before - 11th in the league in attempts.
    This year, we're 9th in attempts.
    How much is Casey, how much Nurse, how much personnel - no clue.

    Lack of passing?

    This is Kyle's 9th year in the league.
    The first 6 years, he had an AST % over 30 once, working with multiple coaches.
    His 3 years here - 34.6, 34.7, 34.7, the 3 highest of his career.
    Compare that to Chris Paul who has never had an AST% as low as Kyle's best, been over 40% 9 of his 10 years and over 50% twice.

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