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  • raptors999
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    Superjudge wrote: View Post
    I think when you build a team with a choice of the best on the planet, you can take a guy like Faried for his intangibles..... he's an energy guy. Its a bit more difficult in league action.

    That said, Amir is broken, his ankles are legit, broke. Healthy he's a beast, not many do more than him, but I doubt we will ever see him fully healthy ever again.
    Faried makes a lot for a guy who really isn't good offensively or defensively and rely on broken plays to score. David Lee would be free and provides post offense as well as rebounding.

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  • Superjudge
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    big boi wrote: View Post
    Yeah, have to admit, I haven't really gotten in to money ball type statistical interpretation in baaketball. And dot really know which metrics are good / broadly trusted and which one's aren't. I can inserstand money ball application in baseball, not so well in basketball. I think Faried is a better player than Amir. So did team USA. I don't think anywhere outside of TO or raptor nation would you find too many individuals saying Amir is better than Faried. And I've seen Faried light Amir's vaunted defence up. And out rebound him easily when matched up. Again, I like Amir, I just think overall Faried is better and that he has more upside.
    I think when you build a team with a choice of the best on the planet, you can take a guy like Faried for his intangibles..... he's an energy guy. Its a bit more difficult in league action.

    That said, Amir is broken, his ankles are legit, broke. Healthy he's a beast, not many do more than him, but I doubt we will ever see him fully healthy ever again.

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  • 3inthekeon
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    white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    Get what you're trying to say...but Boozer is an awful comparison. Boozer was a huge mistake for the Bulls, and an albatross on their roster for his entire time there.
    Until they amnestied him. Epitome of the empty stats guy.

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  • 3inthekeon
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    big boi wrote: View Post
    Your. Not you're. Why is he a "terrific" defender? You seem to be prone to exaggeration. Faried "terrible". Amir "terrific". "10,000 x the player". I won't be expecting a nuanced, intelligent fargument from you any time soon Mach 11. Just a lot of bipolar statements with your signature "lmao".
    As far as Amir, RPM rated him one of the best defenders in the NBA last year. Big part of why our defence was rated 10th.

    His D has slipped this season, but he's still top 40.among those playing 20+ minutes a game.

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  • white men can't jump
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    Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    I feel Taj Gibson is extremely underated. I feel he could be that piece. Like Carlos Boozer was for the bulls and David West was for Indiana. His on par with Amir on D if not better. Also his way more polished on the other side of the ball.
    Get what you're trying to say...but Boozer is an awful comparison. Boozer was a huge mistake for the Bulls, and an albatross on their roster for his entire time there.

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  • Chr1s1anL
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    I feel Taj Gibson is extremely underated. I feel he could be that piece. Like Carlos Boozer was for the bulls and David West was for Indiana. His on par with Amir on D if not better. Also his way more polished on the other side of the ball.

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  • big boi
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    Scraptor wrote: View Post
    Faried is a pretty bad pick and roll defender, while Amir is an excellent pick and roll defender. This is something that doesn't really show up in stats.

    Here are some examples


    Amir has in years past been our number one defender by a wide margin. He's hobbled this year but is still a better positional defender than Faried.

    Faried has the glamorous rebound numbers but there's a lot more to defense than that.
    He's been hobbled a lot. It's too bad. I guess I tend to watch players as individual defenders. And I don't find Amir to be very good man defender. I'll watch rotations, team defense more to see what people talk about. Do Amir's stats point to him holding opposing PF's below their averages or are we strictly saying he's an excellent team defender? How does he fare against the best PF's in the league? It must be pretty good if he's a very good defender.

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  • breakin_ankles
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    breakin_ankles wrote: View Post
    Now that Casey has (FINALLY) displayed the "people's choice" lineup...
    Lowry / Vasquez
    DD / Lou
    JJ / Ross
    2pat / Amir
    JV / Hands

    It is very apparent that that starting five is deadly as they not only gave us a 10 point lead on the fucking spurs, but brought us back after the revamped bench unit blew it... The weakest points stood out like crazy, hands is not a back up centre and Ross will never live to his full potential. I am willing to be patient with Ross but we need a true backup centre for these new lineups to work right.
    In other words, don't bother discussing a new starting PF unless it's a stretch 4, and instead dedicate time to figuring out what kind of backup c and lock down backup 3&D we can get for a combo of hands, fields, Steamer, picks & maybe even Ross. (although he will come around and we will regret letting him go in the trade)
    Just to clarify, this is the structure I have in mind...

    Lowry / Vasquez
    DD / Lou
    JJ / 3&D (or Ross) / bruno
    2pat / Amir
    JV / upgraded backup c / Bebe

    The first thing in my mind is to go get Gerald Green, Miles Plumlee, and Tyler Ennis from Phoenix. Although I'm unsure how greens defence is, I'm pretty sure both him and miles are short term contracts, which if we chose we could extend or let them go so we have 2016 cap space. Plus by the end of next year Bruno and Bebe should be ready for better rotation minutes and I'm sure they will be better suited to be our backup 3 & 5.

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  • breakin_ankles
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    Now that Casey has (FINALLY) displayed the "people's choice" lineup...
    Lowry / Vasquez
    DD / Lou
    JJ / Ross
    2pat / Amir
    JV / Hands

    It is very apparent that that starting five is deadly as they not only gave us a 10 point lead on the fucking spurs, but brought us back after the revamped bench unit blew it... The weakest points stood out like crazy, hands is not a back up centre and Ross will never live to his full potential. I am willing to be patient with Ross but we need a true backup centre for these new lineups to work right.
    In other words, don't bother discussing a new starting PF unless it's a stretch 4, and instead dedicate time to figuring out what kind of backup c and lock down backup 3&D we can get for a combo of hands, fields, Steamer, picks & maybe even Ross. (although he will come around and we will regret letting him go in the trade)

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  • Scraptor
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    big boi wrote: View Post
    Yeah, have to admit, I haven't really gotten in to money ball type statistical interpretation in baaketball. And dot really know which metrics are good / broadly trusted and which one's aren't. I can inserstand money ball application in baseball, not so well in basketball. I think Faried is a better player than Amir. So did team USA. I don't think anywhere outside of TO or raptor nation would you find too many individuals saying Amir is better than Faried. And I've seen Faried light Amir's vaunted defence up. And out rebound him easily when matched up. Again, I like Amir, I just think overall Faried is better and that he has more upside.
    Faried is a pretty bad pick and roll defender, while Amir is an excellent pick and roll defender. This is something that doesn't really show up in stats.

    Here are some examples


    Amir has in years past been our number one defender by a wide margin. He's hobbled this year but is still a better positional defender than Faried.

    Faried has the glamorous rebound numbers but there's a lot more to defense than that.

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  • big boi
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    Mindlessness wrote: View Post
    lol, if you're going by the eye test you should probably also try to verify your eyes with stats.

    For the record Amir is 19th this year amongst PFs in DRPM at 1.79. While Faried languishes in 46th at 0.72.

    2013-14: Amir was 10th at 3.14. Faried was 69th at -1.17.

    14-15: http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rp...RPM/position/6
    13-14:http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rp...RPM/position/6

    On top of that, last year Amir was +3.4 in defense only xRAPM, while Faried was -1.6.

    12-13: Amir 3.6. Faried 1.1.
    11-12: Amir 3.1. Faried -0.6.

    Link: http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/

    Both stats have reputable names at the top, so...
    Yeah, have to admit, I haven't really gotten in to money ball type statistical interpretation in baaketball. And dot really know which metrics are good / broadly trusted and which one's aren't. I can inserstand money ball application in baseball, not so well in basketball. I think Faried is a better player than Amir. So did team USA. I don't think anywhere outside of TO or raptor nation would you find too many individuals saying Amir is better than Faried. And I've seen Faried light Amir's vaunted defence up. And out rebound him easily when matched up. Again, I like Amir, I just think overall Faried is better and that he has more upside.

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  • MACK11
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    NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
    You can edit your own posts man
    Not on mobile lol

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  • NoPropsneeded
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    MACK11 wrote: View Post
    Fixed
    You can edit your own posts man

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  • Mindlessness
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    big boi wrote: View Post
    Your. Not you're. Why is he a "terrific" defender? You seem to be prone to exaggeration. Faried "terrible". Amir "terrific". "10,000 x the player". I won't be expecting a nuanced, intelligent fargument from you any time soon Mach 11. Just a lot of bipolar statements with your signature "lmao".
    lol, if you're going by the eye test you should probably also try to verify your eyes with stats.

    For the record Amir is 19th this year amongst PFs in DRPM at 1.79. While Faried languishes in 46th at 0.72.

    2013-14: Amir was 10th at 3.14. Faried was 69th at -1.17.

    14-15: http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rp...RPM/position/6
    13-14:http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rp...RPM/position/6

    On top of that, last year Amir was +3.4 in defense only xRAPM, while Faried was -1.6.

    12-13: Amir 3.6. Faried 1.1.
    11-12: Amir 3.1. Faried -0.6.

    Link: http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/

    Both stats have reputable names at the top, so...

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  • MACK11
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    MACK11 wrote: View Post
    Guest you're RIGHT man

    This conversation is done
    Fixed

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