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RepTdot wrote: View PostFaried is 6'8 but hold his own in the paint...and just for arguments sake...Rodman- one of the greatest rebounders, defenders & energy players of all time was 6'7 at PF. Basketball IQ is worth much more than size.
Faried isn't a good defender by any stretch"Both teams played hard my man" - Sheed
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big boi wrote: View PostFrom watching evey game for years. From knowing what good defence is. Now why do you think Faried is "terrible"? Pretty sure I've seen more of Amir than you've seen of Faried.
Amir is a terrific defender and you saying he's not an above average defender is ridiculous lmao"Both teams played hard my man" - Sheed
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MACK11 wrote: View PostYou're eyes test has failed you
Amir is a terrific defender and you saying he's not an above average defender is ridiculous lmao
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big boi wrote: View PostYour. Not you're. Why is he a "terrific" defender? You seem to be prone to exaggeration. Faried "terrible". Amir "terrific". "10,000 x the player". I won't be expecting a nuanced, intelligent
fargument from you any time soon Mach 11. Just a lot of bipolar statements with your signature "lmao".
This conversation is done"Both teams played hard my man" - Sheed
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big boi wrote: View PostYour. Not you're. Why is he a "terrific" defender? You seem to be prone to exaggeration. Faried "terrible". Amir "terrific". "10,000 x the player". I won't be expecting a nuanced, intelligent fargument from you any time soon Mach 11. Just a lot of bipolar statements with your signature "lmao".
For the record Amir is 19th this year amongst PFs in DRPM at 1.79. While Faried languishes in 46th at 0.72.
2013-14: Amir was 10th at 3.14. Faried was 69th at -1.17.
14-15: http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rp...RPM/position/6
13-14:http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rp...RPM/position/6
On top of that, last year Amir was +3.4 in defense only xRAPM, while Faried was -1.6.
12-13: Amir 3.6. Faried 1.1.
11-12: Amir 3.1. Faried -0.6.
Link: http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/
Both stats have reputable names at the top, so...
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Mindlessness wrote: View Postlol, if you're going by the eye test you should probably also try to verify your eyes with stats.
For the record Amir is 19th this year amongst PFs in DRPM at 1.79. While Faried languishes in 46th at 0.72.
2013-14: Amir was 10th at 3.14. Faried was 69th at -1.17.
14-15: http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rp...RPM/position/6
13-14:http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rp...RPM/position/6
On top of that, last year Amir was +3.4 in defense only xRAPM, while Faried was -1.6.
12-13: Amir 3.6. Faried 1.1.
11-12: Amir 3.1. Faried -0.6.
Link: http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/
Both stats have reputable names at the top, so...
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big boi wrote: View PostYeah, have to admit, I haven't really gotten in to money ball type statistical interpretation in baaketball. And dot really know which metrics are good / broadly trusted and which one's aren't. I can inserstand money ball application in baseball, not so well in basketball. I think Faried is a better player than Amir. So did team USA. I don't think anywhere outside of TO or raptor nation would you find too many individuals saying Amir is better than Faried. And I've seen Faried light Amir's vaunted defence up. And out rebound him easily when matched up. Again, I like Amir, I just think overall Faried is better and that he has more upside.
Here are some examples
Amir has in years past been our number one defender by a wide margin. He's hobbled this year but is still a better positional defender than Faried.
Faried has the glamorous rebound numbers but there's a lot more to defense than that.
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Now that Casey has (FINALLY) displayed the "people's choice" lineup...
Lowry / Vasquez
DD / Lou
JJ / Ross
2pat / Amir
JV / Hands
It is very apparent that that starting five is deadly as they not only gave us a 10 point lead on the fucking spurs, but brought us back after the revamped bench unit blew it... The weakest points stood out like crazy, hands is not a back up centre and Ross will never live to his full potential. I am willing to be patient with Ross but we need a true backup centre for these new lineups to work right.
In other words, don't bother discussing a new starting PF unless it's a stretch 4, and instead dedicate time to figuring out what kind of backup c and lock down backup 3&D we can get for a combo of hands, fields, Steamer, picks & maybe even Ross. (although he will come around and we will regret letting him go in the trade)
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breakin_ankles wrote: View PostNow that Casey has (FINALLY) displayed the "people's choice" lineup...
Lowry / Vasquez
DD / Lou
JJ / Ross
2pat / Amir
JV / Hands
It is very apparent that that starting five is deadly as they not only gave us a 10 point lead on the fucking spurs, but brought us back after the revamped bench unit blew it... The weakest points stood out like crazy, hands is not a back up centre and Ross will never live to his full potential. I am willing to be patient with Ross but we need a true backup centre for these new lineups to work right.
In other words, don't bother discussing a new starting PF unless it's a stretch 4, and instead dedicate time to figuring out what kind of backup c and lock down backup 3&D we can get for a combo of hands, fields, Steamer, picks & maybe even Ross. (although he will come around and we will regret letting him go in the trade)
Lowry / Vasquez
DD / Lou
JJ / 3&D (or Ross) / bruno
2pat / Amir
JV / upgraded backup c / Bebe
The first thing in my mind is to go get Gerald Green, Miles Plumlee, and Tyler Ennis from Phoenix. Although I'm unsure how greens defence is, I'm pretty sure both him and miles are short term contracts, which if we chose we could extend or let them go so we have 2016 cap space. Plus by the end of next year Bruno and Bebe should be ready for better rotation minutes and I'm sure they will be better suited to be our backup 3 & 5.
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Scraptor wrote: View PostFaried is a pretty bad pick and roll defender, while Amir is an excellent pick and roll defender. This is something that doesn't really show up in stats.
Here are some examples
Amir has in years past been our number one defender by a wide margin. He's hobbled this year but is still a better positional defender than Faried.
Faried has the glamorous rebound numbers but there's a lot more to defense than that.
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