Who's going to be the new head coach of the Toronto Raptors?

[golden]

Giannis should have guarded Jimmy Butler. That was the adjustment much like when Nurse put Kawhi on Giannis in 2019.
Giannis is arguably the best defender in the world
and not making that adjustment made Milwaukee fans lose their minds.

That’s fair criticism, but Bud’s overall body of work is beyond stellar. I mean Nurse was supposed to be Mr Adjustment personified, but he got pretty stubborn with his over aggressive D that was figured out years ago and he ran the least creative & static ISO offense in the NBA. His reputation has been dining off the Box & 1 adjustment for the last 4 years. No coach is perfect.

[DanH]

If Nurse is still getting paid by the Raps then he’d still be under the non-compete provisions of said contract, which would mean he would need permission to sign with another team. Or he’d have to negotiate with the Raps to get out of that non-compete, which would entail giving up comp. There is very little possibility of double dipping, unless the Raps are the dumbest front office in pro sports in signing contracts.

I mean, I don't know if that's true? If the Raps fired him, they've essentially bought out his contract, ending all terms but paying him out his salary. It's not like they just sent him home and kept him on contract.

I think the fairest thing to say is that coaching contracts are not governed by any CBA and since none of us know the exact terms of any of these deals it's all just guesswork. So you want to say it's all about money so you'll believe the thing that fits that narrative, and others disagree and believe something else.

[golden]

I mean, I don't know if that's true? If the Raps fired him, they've essentially bought out his contract, ending all terms but paying him out his salary. It's not like they just sent him home and kept him on contract.

I think the fairest thing to say is that coaching contracts are not governed by any CBA and since none of us know the exact terms of any of these deals it's all just guesswork. So you want to say it's all about money so you'll believe the thing that fits that narrative, and others disagree and believe something else.

The terms of buyout would still have to be negotiated and that would almost certainly entail a set-off, or else yes… the Raps would’ve sent Nurse home and said you can’t talk to any team for a year.

Of course, Nurse wouldn’t want that either, so the common sense approach for both sides would be to agree on the set-off amount and removal of non-compete terms in exchange for allowing Nurse to talk to competing teams.

[DanH]

The terms of buyout would still have to be negotiated and that would almost certainly entail a set-off, or else yes… the Raps would’ve sent Nurse home and said you can’t talk to any team for a year.

Of course, Nurse wouldn’t want that either, so the common sense approach for both sides would be to agree on the set-off amount and removal of non-compete terms in exchange for allowing Nurse to talk to competing teams.

I agree there would be some set off. I think it's fair to say you have no idea what that amount would be, and it's pretty presumptuous to assume it's the full amount.

[golden]

I agree there would be some set off. I think it's fair to say you have no idea what that amount would be, and it's pretty presumptuous to assume it's the full amount.

Again… the standard is the shortfall between the new contract and the old contract. If Nurse gets a raise, then there’s no shortfall and the Raps pay nothing going forward.

[JawsGT]

Lol, what? Bud has completely optimized and unlocked Giannis in ways that nobody saw coming. If your complaint is that he doesn’t run Giannis into the ground (ie. use him enough) by playing him 40 minutes a game, like Nurse, then that’s valid.

Bud can’t make Giannis a better FT or 3-or shooter. He hasn’t written a book on shooting or have his own branded shooting ball.

Completely optimized? I highly doubt that. Giannis barreling into the paint continously has its limitations, clearly.

[slaw]

Not sure about Nurse getting paid regardless if signing with another team - I think it depends on the contract. I know of a NHL coach who got fired and got a full payout despite getting another job.

I don’t agree with golden that they fired Nurse cause of $ but will say that it makes sense the Raps weren’t going to extend Nurse for $30 million or whatever given all the issues. They start 8-15 next season and they’re firing a guy they just gave a huge deal to?

But I was noting mid season that maybe the coach would be gone so I’m not taken aback by it.

[NeedTristanThompson]

That’s fair criticism, but Bud’s overall body of work is beyond stellar. I mean Nurse was supposed to be Mr Adjustment personified, but he got pretty stubborn with his over aggressive D that was figured out years ago and he ran the least creative & static ISO offense in the NBA. His reputation has been dining off the Box & 1 adjustment for the last 4 years. No coach is perfect.

Okay but I do want to point out that it was Kawhi who said "the adjustment is, I'm guarding Giannis", so in some ways is part of the difference there that Giannis chose not to speak up and Kawhi did? Maybe Nurse puts Kawhi on Giannis anyways if Kawhi says nothing but we'll never know...

[DanH]

Again… the standard is the shortfall between the new contract and the old contract. If Nurse gets a raise, then there’s no shortfall and the Raps pay nothing going forward.

And how do you know what the standard is in these sorts of contracts in the specific environment of the NBA? And whether Nurse's specific contract matches that standard exactly or is different?

Like, there is set-off for NBA player contracts too, and it's not at all what you are describing here.

[G____Deane]

If Nurse is still getting paid by the Raps then he’d still be under the non-compete provisions of said contract, which would mean he would need permission to sign with another team. Or he’d have to negotiate with the Raps to get out of that non-compete, which would entail giving up comp. There is very little possibility of double dipping, unless the Raps are the dumbest front office in pro sports in signing contracts.

Of course none of us know the extraordinary provisions that may or may not have been written into Nurse's contract but I can tell you that standard contracts allow for team relief in these circumstances, aside from severance clauses if applicable. If you think about it, if this was not the case, why would the Raptors or any team for that matter, allow Nurse to go the Bucks or Celtics for instance. They'd have him scout or coach in the G League for them if he's getting paid.

[DanH]

Of course none of us know the extraordinary provisions that may or may not have been written into Nurse's contract but I can tell you that standard contracts allow for team relief in these circumstances, aside from severance clauses if applicable. If you think about it, if this was not the case, why would the Raptors or any team for that matter, allow Nurse to go the Bucks or Celtics for instance. They'd have him scout or coach in the G League for them if he's getting paid.

No one is saying they are getting nothing back. But there's a range of outcomes between nothing and everything and it's almost certainly somewhere in that gray area, and we don't know where in that gray area it is.

[Primer]

If Nurse is still getting paid by the Raps then he’d still be under the non-compete provisions of said contract, which would mean he would need permission to sign with another team. Or he’d have to negotiate with the Raps to get out of that non-compete, which would entail giving up comp. There is very little possibility of double dipping, unless the Raps are the dumbest front office in pro sports in signing contracts.

Coaching contracts don't have non compete provisions. I also don't think you understand what a non compete is. I don't keep getting paid after getting fired because I have a non compete. The non compete provision says I can't go work for a competitor for a set period of time after I leave.

[Primer]

Of course none of us know the extraordinary provisions that may or may not have been written into Nurse's contract but I can tell you that standard contracts allow for team relief in these circumstances, aside from severance clauses if applicable. If you think about it, if this was not the case, why would the Raptors or any team for that matter, allow Nurse to go the Bucks or Celtics for instance. They'd have him scout or coach in the G League for them if he's getting paid.

His contract is for NBA Head coach of the Toronto Raptors. They can't force him to do a different job instead. You think they could make him be janitor next year?

Raptors are the ones who broke the agreement here and that's why they still owe him all the money.

[The Great One]

My final rankings on who I want them to hire as their new coach and who I want them to draft.

1. Sergio
2. Hammon
3. Quinn/Adelman
4. Redick

*No Griffin please.

Draft:

1. Bufkin
2. George
3. Coulibaly
4. Rupert

I'm flying to Tokyo tonight for my vacation so hopefully there's a new coach when I return(the day after the draft).

Later.

[Primer]