Who's going to be the new head coach of the Toronto Raptors?

[DanH]

Why would you think MLSE is ‘rolling in money’? You should talk to the people there about all the cuts the last few years. I also wouldn’t assume Masai can do ‘whatever he wants’ cause I can tell you that is categorically false.

The NBA's revenue streams are pretty public.

[Dr Hannibal Lecter]

Masai...lol..buddy any time now..

[guyroch]

I have a feeling that this coaching search will end up like the trading dead line day ... Days and Days tons of people mentioned but when it happens we are going to say " that's it "

[saints91]

I think I’m leaning towards Atkinson or Quinn. I don’t want Sergio, it’s time to move on from the past. I honestly wish there was a good former player coach available… Stackhouse would’ve been great. Quinn played in the NBA,but I don’t think he has the gravitas that Stackhouse would.

I’ll pass on Nash and Riddick

[G____Deane]

Monty Williams signs with the Pistons to be the highest paid NBA Coach in history....only reason to go there
Masai, you up?

[G____Deane]

I have a feeling that this coaching search will end up like the trading dead line day ... Days and Days tons of people mentioned but when it happens we are going to say " that's it "

I think it's going to be a meh moment, they could have spun the first women in the NBA, maybe now the first Euro HC in the NBA. I'm not as worried about the HC position as I am ROSTER CHANGES.

[planetmars]

It is? What if you are able to re-sign Jak anyway and by the third year on his deal you are competing in the playoffs with your new young core? I mean, that would clearly be the intended timeline if they reset with a post-Pascal/Fred sort of move.

This front office believes pretty heavily in developing young players in a non-tanking environment. Not sure how often they need to demonstrate that for it to be clear. So even if the clock is run out on Pascal and Fred that doesn't mean they don't add winning players in the meantime and try to stay competitive.

The Raptors under Masai have always kept their franchise talents and never bottomed out. It's been a decade. Trading Pascal and Fred for rookie contracts and draft picks is clearing the deck. Masai has never done that before.

Yes he develops young talents in a non-tanking environment.. meaning he has young talents around guys who can lead and win (DeMar, Kyle, JV, Pascal, Fred, etc).

If he's finally going to blow this up.. then you don't also bring back a guy like Jakob Poeltl and give up a draft pick to do it. It just makes no sense. Sorry.


Unless they think they can tank anyway.. and I think they can with Poeltl and without Pascal and Fred. Poeltl didn't get in the way of the Spurs tanking efforts. And if they don't tank (ie, bottom out), they had little to no foresight and to me it's a bad look. And I'm sure some bean counter in MLSE will think the same way.

It's basically directionless. They went for an all in move 3-4 months before they decided to do the exact opposite. Great planning!

[A.I]

The Raptors under Masai have always kept their franchise talents and never bottomed out. It's been a decade. Trading Pascal and Fred for rookie contracts and draft picks is clearing the deck. Masai has never done that before.

Yes he develops young talents in a non-tanking environment.. meaning he has young talents around guys who can lead and win (DeMar, Kyle, JV, Pascal, Fred, etc).

If he's finally going to blow this up.. then you don't also bring back a guy like Jakob Poeltl and give up a draft pick to do it. It just makes no sense. Sorry.


Unless they think they can tank anyway.. and I think they can with Poeltl and without Pascal and Fred. Poeltl didn't get in the way of the Spurs tanking efforts. And if they don't tank (ie, bottom out), they had little to no foresight and to me it's a bad look. And I'm sure some bean counter in MLSE will think the same way.

It's basically directionless. They went for an all in move 3-4 months before they decided to do the exact opposite. Great planning!

Although he did try in 2013. Traded Gay and almost traded Kyle before that deal fell through, then they went on to play better and make the Playoffs.

I don't think trading Pascal and Fred is a complete blow up, especially if they keep OG and Poeltl. If they get back an established young player, they'll definitely be worse in the short term, but their long term ceiling will go up.

[Primer]

Yea because that game is a perfect example of the type of competition a team without our two best players would play on a regular basis.

So I did my homework too. They played 4 games. They lost to to Indiana by 14. They beat Detroit by 4. They lost to Brooklyn by 14. And they beat the Bucks by 16 in the last game of the regular season where the Bucks rested all their starters.

So that makes me super confident in a team without them next year. All we have to do is play Detroit and a Bucks team without their starters and we'll do great.

You know we didn't get to trade them for those 4 games and replace them with other players right?

The fact we could win games at the same clip with either guy out gives me great confidence we'd be around 500 again after trading them for other players (not nothing with seems to always be your assumption).

[LJ2]

The Raptors under Masai have always kept their franchise talents and never bottomed out. It's been a decade. Trading Pascal and Fred for rookie contracts and draft picks is clearing the deck. Masai has never done that before.

Yes he develops young talents in a non-tanking environment.. meaning he has young talents around guys who can lead and win (DeMar, Kyle, JV, Pascal, Fred, etc).

If he's finally going to blow this up.. then you don't also bring back a guy like Jakob Poeltl and give up a draft pick to do it. It just makes no sense. Sorry.


Unless they think they can tank anyway.. and I think they can with Poeltl and without Pascal and Fred. Poeltl didn't get in the way of the Spurs tanking efforts. And if they don't tank (ie, bottom out), they had little to no foresight and to me it's a bad look. And I'm sure some bean counter in MLSE will think the same way.

It's basically directionless. They went for an all in move 3-4 months before they decided to do the exact opposite. Great planning!

The more likely outcome is that they will try and add to this core. All the trade Pascal scenarios are fun, but not the likely outcome based on the moves they've made the last couple of years. I just hope any addition(s) they make are significant and not more Otto Porter level changes.

[planetmars]

Although he did try in 2013. Traded Gay and almost traded Kyle before that deal fell through, then they went on to play better and make the Playoffs.

I don't think trading Pascal and Fred is a complete blow up, especially if they keep OG and Poeltl. If they get back an established young player, they'll definitely be worse in the short term, but their long term ceiling will go up.

Yeah the Lowry non-trade worked out, and I think Masai learned his lesson there. He had ample reasons to try again when DeMar and Kyle kept flaming out but just kept adding to that core until it worked. I don't see any signs of him now believing in a tear down working. It's just never been his m.o. And even again in the press conference he never hinted about tearing things down.

[planetmars]

You know we didn't get to trade them for those 4 games and replace them with other players right?

The fact we could win games at the same clip with either guy out gives me great confidence we'd be around 500 again after trading them for other players (not nothing with seems to always be your assumption).

They beat Detroit by 4 points. The Detroit fricken Pistons. Yeah high caliber team right there.

Yeah let's replace them with draft picks. That will show everyone that we can beat everyone. Oh wait, Anfernee Simons is the answer!

[planetmars]

The more likely outcome is that they will try and add to this core. All the trade Pascal scenarios are fun, but not the likely outcome based on the moves they've made the last couple of years. I just hope any addition(s) they make are significant and not more Otto Porter level changes.

I think there is a greater probability that they would package #13 to make a win now trade.. then to trade Pascal for another draft pick even if its the #3 or #4 pick in this draft.

[Primer]

They beat Detroit by 4 points. The Detroit fricken Pistons. Yeah high caliber team right there.

Yeah let's replace them with draft picks. That will show everyone that we can beat everyone. Oh wait, Anfernee Simons is the answer!

Go back to your homework and look at every game Pascal missed, and then every game Fred missed. We beat very good teams while those guys were out. We can continue to beat very good teams by trading them for other players, as opposed to having our shitty bench guys having to step up.

[planetmars]

Go back to your homework and look at every game Pascal missed, and then every game Fred missed. We beat very good teams while those guys were out. We can continue to beat very good teams by trading them for other players, as opposed to having our shitty bench guys having to step up.

Yes because Fred and Pascal are winning players. That's why I don't understand the Fred hate, but that's beside the point. Fred and Pascal are gone right? So both of them? That's a tanking team. Especially if we're replacing them with losing players like Simons and Anthony. And I'm sorry the idea of an elite rookie is fun, most rookies are not winning players in their first year of their careers.