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  • Scraptor
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    Primer wrote: View Post
    So we should overpay an aging chronically injured player because he's nice and likes the city? It doesn't make any sense to pay a guy based on loyalty in the NBA. There is a salary cap and you can only have 15 guys on the roster. LAL was loyal to Kobe and now they're hamstrung by his ridiculous contract. I'd much prefer we show loyalty to Amir by hiring him on as a coach or front office guy when his career is over. Our loyalty to Amir shouldn't come at the expense of wins and getting better players.
    Where did I say we should overpay him? I'm not saying we should give him $25 million a year like Kobe.

    I just think paying him half what we pay a player who is frankly less useful even when fully healthy (Greivis) is a flat out insult given all he has done for our team. NOT because he is nice and likes the city. But because he has played hurt and played center and has NEVER ONCE complained about it, when he could have instead been disruptive and hurt our locker room.

    All this talk of chemistry under Masai... well there are things like goodwill that should have some sort of value, otherwise you'll erode that goodwill too until you're just another horse trader.

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  • Bendit
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    The team should rest Amir for the Mavs game. It might be waving the white flag if PP is still out but probably the best for the longer term of the season.

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  • 007
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    hotfuzz wrote: View Post
    Taking lessons from Scraptor I see
    Well, this bet was made before the season started, so before Scraptor's.

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  • Primer
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    Scraptor wrote: View Post
    Here's a fun fact: Amir has played fewer career minutes than LeBron did in his first four years to the age of 22. Amir was mostly a backup his first few years and didn't get to a 1000 minutes in a season until the age of 22.

    This is why I have asked whether there is a long-term cost to us:
    a) consistently being among the league leaders in setting screens
    b) playing Amir at the center against much larger guys

    It's also why I think we need to show Amir some loyalty. The guy has played through injury and done whatever was asked of him without complaint, and now people are saying it's a business and we should pay him half what we pay Greivis and Patman. Ha. We should have demanded he got surgery last offseason and now we are literally limping into the unknown for both the playoffs and his contract negotiations.
    So we should overpay an aging chronically injured player because he's nice and likes the city? It doesn't make any sense to pay a guy based on loyalty in the NBA. There is a salary cap and you can only have 15 guys on the roster. LAL was loyal to Kobe and now they're hamstrung by his ridiculous contract. I'd much prefer we show loyalty to Amir by hiring him on as a coach or front office guy when his career is over. Our loyalty to Amir shouldn't come at the expense of wins and getting better players.

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  • white men can't jump
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    Scraptor wrote: View Post
    Here's a fun fact: Amir has played fewer career minutes than LeBron did in his first four years to the age of 22. Amir was mostly a backup his first few years and didn't get to a 1000 minutes in a season until the age of 22.

    This is why I have asked whether there is a long-term cost to us:
    a) consistently being among the league leaders in setting screens
    b) playing Amir at the center against much larger guys

    It's also why I think we need to show Amir some loyalty. The guy has played through injury and done whatever was asked of him without complaint, and now people are saying it's a business and we should pay him half what we pay Greivis and Patman. Ha. We should have demanded he got surgery last offseason and now we are literally limping into the unknown for both the playoffs and his contract negotiations.
    Loyalty's fine...but they should still look to improve roster first and foremost, even if that means cutting ties.

    I do agree that if they bring him back, it shouldn't, and won't, be on a low-ball offer. People who think Amir will settle for 3-5M per year are clueless. He may be loyal, but he'll get a better offer than that even with his ankle concerns. But I wouldn't give him more than 2-3 years. And I do think that if they bring him back again, they basically should do what you say and demand he get surgery. It may not fix his problems, but rest/rehab clearly won't.

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  • S.R.
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    Scraptor wrote: View Post
    Here's a fun fact: Amir has played fewer career minutes than LeBron did in his first four years to the age of 22. Amir was mostly a backup his first few years and didn't get to a 1000 minutes in a season until the age of 22.

    This is why I have asked whether there is a long-term cost to us:
    a) consistently being among the league leaders in setting screens
    b) playing Amir at the center against much larger guys

    It's also why I think we need to show Amir some loyalty. The guy has played through injury and done whatever was asked of him without complaint, and now people are saying it's a business and we should pay him half what we pay Greivis and Patman. Ha. We should have demanded he got surgery last offseason and now we are literally limping into the unknown for both the playoffs and his contract negotiations.
    Haha, I also looked it up after writing that and found his 12653 career minutes were not even enough to crack the top 100 among active players (Garnett's #1 at 49764!!!). I also wonder if it's not so much the total minutes as the number of minutes he's been allowed to play while injured. Who knows if he just has glass ankles and only ever had 10000 healthy minutes in his body, or if he could have lengthened his career by managing his health better. It's definitely always partly on the team when they allow guys to play injured.

    He has also always been an undersized 4/5 banging against bigger bodies. Having jumped into the league as a pretty raw HS kid, he didn't get any minutes the first few years but still had to practice against 'Sheed and Big Ben every single day. That would count for something as well.

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  • hotfuzz
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    007 wrote: View Post
    I bet that one of Fields or Hayes would be gone by trade deadline. I have to have this sig for at least until the playoffs.
    Taking lessons from Scraptor I see

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  • 007
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    Joey wrote: View Post
    LOL What bet did you lose?
    I bet that one of Fields or Hayes would be gone by trade deadline. I have to have this sig for at least until the playoffs.

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  • Scraptor
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    S.R. wrote: View Post
    I love Amir to death, but he's wearing down before our eyes. It's not just the occassional rolled ankle anymore - the injuries have piled up, he's been in the League a long time, and his consistency is not going to get any better. The future forwards on the current roster are JV, PP, and JJ. I'd like to see these guys roles increasing already (more than they currently are) and a reduction in Amir's minutes to whatever it takes to keep the guy healthy. His minutes are down a bit to 26.7 but I'd like to see him cut back to 20 mpg and playing at 100% - he'd help the team more than playing his current minutes at 75%.
    Here's a fun fact: Amir has played fewer career minutes than LeBron did in his first four years to the age of 22. Amir was mostly a backup his first few years and didn't get to a 1000 minutes in a season until the age of 22.

    This is why I have asked whether there is a long-term cost to us:
    a) consistently being among the league leaders in setting screens
    b) playing Amir at the center against much larger guys

    It's also why I think we need to show Amir some loyalty. The guy has played through injury and done whatever was asked of him without complaint, and now people are saying it's a business and we should pay him half what we pay Greivis and Patman. Ha. We should have demanded he got surgery last offseason and now we are literally limping into the unknown for both the playoffs and his contract negotiations.

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  • white men can't jump
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    TRex wrote: View Post
    Amir Johnson at this point of his career is more of a backup player.
    Some would say he always has been. He starts because he's a good enough role player to do so and be effective. Lots of people would probably ideally want him as the 3rd big though. The way his physical issues are affecting his game though, even that seems like a role he might not be able to fill much longer.

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  • mcHAPPY
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    Instead of forcing, if they’d just slow it down and make better decisions (like keeping Valanciunas involved) the Raptors would be a lot more threatening and it would be far easier to see them as a legitimate contender to make the Eastern Conference Finals or at least win a round and nearly take another. Right now, that seems like wishful thinking. Masai Ujiri gets this. It’s why he didn’t make a small move and it is why huge changes are coming the next two summers as he puts his stamp on a team that is still heavily-dominated by Bryan Colangelo acquisitions.

    This is what I am looking for.... in particular the bold.

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  • The Great One
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    Amir Johnson at this point of his career is more of a backup player.

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  • white men can't jump
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    Joey wrote: View Post
    Sorry, It was total sarcasm. Lol Shoulda added this guy to the end "".
    Or used the hideous joke font that's going around these days...

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  • Joey
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    white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    I can't tell if this is sarcasm. Amir is not consistently our best low post defender. Not anymore. He doesn't have the strength to push back, and it's just getting worse with his ankles deteriorating because he can't properly leverage the weight he does have to help make up for his thin frame. And if he's up against a C, he usually gives up length as well (Ajinca was just shooting over him and grabbing rebounds overtop his head). It's hurting his rebounding too, as he lacks both spring, and similarly to D, the stability in his feet to body up and box out properly.
    Sorry, It was total sarcasm. Lol Shoulda added this guy to the end "".

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  • white men can't jump
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    Joey wrote: View Post
    Because Amir is consistently our best Low post defender .. guess he figures it would only get worse to sub-Amir out.
    I can't tell if this is sarcasm. Amir is not consistently our best low post defender. Not anymore. He doesn't have the strength to push back, and it's just getting worse with his ankles deteriorating because he can't properly leverage the weight he does have to help make up for his thin frame. And if he's up against a C, he usually gives up length as well (Ajinca was just shooting over him and grabbing rebounds overtop his head). It's hurting his rebounding too, as he lacks both spring, and similarly to D, the stability in his feet to body up and box out properly.

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