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    Since most (if not all) posters have seemed to join in on the #FireCasey movement, it is time to really try and move the conversation away from the refrain of he-who-must-not-be-named's errors, and onto the solutions.

    I would like this thread to be solely for offering, and discussing alternate coaching options for next season and not just a continual re-hash of he-who-must-not-be-named and all the stupid things he does (that goes in the #FireCasey thread )

    So here is a link to one list of names from the other thread (post will likely buried in a few days time)

    http://www.raptorsrepublic.com/forum...l=1#post445842

    Here are some names I have found for consideration in no particular order:


    http://www.nba.com/pelicans/news/pla...le-bryan-gates

    My #1 choice. The Bulls are also interested. http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/stor...-tom-thibodeau

    He did play for the Bulls, but he could be turned off by the Bulls history of coaching relationships (goes back well before Thibs).

    From a previous post (Page 96 of the FireCasey thread), a great little breakdown of his style:

    http://www.denverstiffs.com/2015/3/6...t-fred-hoiberg

    Thibs - Bulls

    Well known.

    http://www.coachesclipboard.net/Drib...onOffense.html

    The guy may have gotten to the NBA coaching circles by using his dad (Bernie) to get there, but he seems to have solidified his place in the league. He has taken charge of the Rockets defence this year (they have the best Opp3P% in the league, 8th in DRtg and 9th in OppFG%).

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...ense/20081033/http://allucanheat.com/2015/01/27/mi...ortunity-soon/



    Pack has been an assistant in the NBA since 2009 (New Orleans), with a stop with the Clippers from 2010-2013 on his way to OKC. As an undrafted PG who went on to play 13 seasons, the guy has proven to be a hard worker.

    Heir, Prince of Cambridge

    If you see KeonClark in the wasteland, please share your food and water with him.

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    Axel wrote: View Post
    Since most (if not all) posters have seemed to join in on the #FireCasey movement, it is time to really try and move the conversation away from the refrain of he-who-must-not-be-named's errors, and onto the solutions.

    I would like this thread to be solely for offering, and discussing alternate coaching options for next season and not just a continual re-hash of he-who-must-not-be-named and all the stupid things he does (that goes in the #FireCasey thread )

    So here is a link to one list of names from the other thread (post will likely buried in a few days time)

    http://www.raptorsrepublic.com/forum...l=1#post445842

    Here are some names I have found for consideration in no particular order:


    http://www.nba.com/pelicans/news/pla...le-bryan-gates

    My #1 choice. The Bulls are also interested. http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/stor...-tom-thibodeau

    He did play for the Bulls, but he could be turned off by the Bulls history of coaching relationships (goes back well before Thibs).

    From a previous post (Page 96 of the FireCasey thread), a great little breakdown of his style:

    http://www.denverstiffs.com/2015/3/6...t-fred-hoiberg

    Thibs - Bulls

    Well known.

    http://www.coachesclipboard.net/Drib...onOffense.html

    The guy may have gotten to the NBA coaching circles by using his dad (Bernie) to get there, but he seems to have solidified his place in the league. He has taken charge of the Rockets defence this year (they have the best Opp3P% in the league, 8th in DRtg and 9th in OppFG%).

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...ense/20081033/http://allucanheat.com/2015/01/27/mi...ortunity-soon/



    Pack has been an assistant in the NBA since 2009 (New Orleans), with a stop with the Clippers from 2010-2013 on his way to OKC. As an undrafted PG who went on to play 13 seasons, the guy has proven to be a hard worker.
    Any new coach needs to have been a successful HC somewhere preferably with college coaching. Bayno also should be considered and if D-league success means anything Nurse. Too many assistants have proven to be complete garbage as Head Coaches

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    • #3
      raptors999 wrote: View Post
      Any new coach needs to have been a successful HC somewhere preferably with college coaching. Bayno also should be considered and if D-league success means anything Nurse. Too many assistants have proven to be complete garbage as Head Coaches
      I was trying to find some examples other than the re-treads that have been largely discussed. mcHappy's post (linked) lists a lot of the re-treads anyways.

      I agree, success in college is a great asset, but I don't think it is a mandatory. Look at the best hires in recent history, and guys like Spo and Stevens stick out to me. Neither had NBA HC and took very different paths. I don't think there is a one path to take, so all avenues must be looked at.
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      • #4
        Axel wrote: View Post
        I was trying to find some examples other than the re-treads that have been largely discussed. mcHappy's post (linked) lists a lot of the re-treads anyways.

        I agree, success in college is a great asset, but I don't think it is a mandatory. Look at the best hires in recent history, and guys like Spo and Stevens stick out to me. Neither had NBA HC and took very different paths. I don't think there is a one path to take, so all avenues must be looked at.
        Successful coaches Thibs, JVG are known are should be considered #1 , but Stevens was at Butler and Brown on the Sixer's was HC in Australia. A lot of the better assistant coach were with good organizations a long time under really good NBA guys like Riley and Pop, not just good HC but good organizational guys too. Difference between Carlisle and Pop is GM duties imho

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        • #5
          raptors999 wrote: View Post
          Successful coaches Thibs, JVG are known are should be considered #1 , but Stevens was at Butler and Brown on the Sixer's was HC in Australia. A lot of the better assistant coach were with good organizations a long time under really good NBA guys like Riley and Pop, not just good HC but good organizational guys too. Difference between Carlisle and Pop is GM duties imho
          I would honestly take Hoiberg over Thibs. Thibs is more set in his ways and kinda stubborn (like someone else we all know). I see Hoiberg as a better long term option.
          Heir, Prince of Cambridge

          If you see KeonClark in the wasteland, please share your food and water with him.

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          • #6
            Top 50 College coaches as ranked by ESPN last year:

            http://espn.go.com/ncb/notebook/_/pa...-billy-donovan


            Most are obviously unattainable.

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            • #7
              It is crazy how raps fans got spoiled by a lucky trade and shitty division and now think the raptors are going to win any time soon. This process is going to take at least 5 years before we will see any potential at a championship. Every one is learning, everyone is growing and everyone is improving. Trades don't solve everything and can even make it worse. Just enjoy the success we are seeing and let Masai do his job. No need to shit on the coaching staff or players especially since no one here is an expert, no one has been a part of coaching a championship team and no one knows what goes on behind closed doors. These guys are people just like any one else and go through swings, they make mistakes, learn and grow etc. Our success will be based on how well they learn, how well they stick together and how well they fight through adversity.... not how well we can trade away people when they just started doing well.

              tl;dr our entire team is 2 years away from being 2 years away. lets not get ahead of ourselves.

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              • #8
                Reboc wrote: View Post
                It is crazy how raps fans got spoiled by a lucky trade and shitty division and now think the raptors are going to win any time soon. This process is going to take at least 5 years before we will see any potential at a championship. Every one is learning, everyone is growing and everyone is improving. Trades don't solve everything and can even make it worse. Just enjoy the success we are seeing and let Masai do his job. No need to shit on the coaching staff or players especially since no one here is an expert, no one has been a part of coaching a championship team and no one knows what goes on behind closed doors. These guys are people just like any one else and go through swings, they make mistakes, learn and grow etc. Our success will be based on how well they learn, how well they stick together and how well they fight through adversity.... not how well we can trade away people when they just started doing well.

                tl;dr our entire team is 2 years away from being 2 years away. lets not get ahead of ourselves.
                Entirely the type of post I was hoping to keep out of this thread (it really belongs in the #FireCasey thread).
                Heir, Prince of Cambridge

                If you see KeonClark in the wasteland, please share your food and water with him.

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                • #9
                  Reboc wrote: View Post
                  It is crazy how raps fans got spoiled by a lucky trade and shitty division and now think the raptors are going to win any time soon. This process is going to take at least 5 years before we will see any potential at a championship. Every one is learning, everyone is growing and everyone is improving. Trades don't solve everything and can even make it worse. Just enjoy the success we are seeing and let Masai do his job. No need to shit on the coaching staff or players especially since no one here is an expert, no one has been a part of coaching a championship team and no one knows what goes on behind closed doors. These guys are people just like any one else and go through swings, they make mistakes, learn and grow etc. Our success will be based on how well they learn, how well they stick together and how well they fight through adversity.... not how well we can trade away people when they just started doing well.

                  tl;dr our entire team is 2 years away from being 2 years away. lets not get ahead of ourselves.

                  Bold 1: What success are we seeing? I mean that with all due respect. I don't see anything successful outside of thinking being 38-26 is an achievement.

                  Bold 2: That argument has been brought up a lot this season. If that is the case, why did people such as myself see the problems back in November that were arising and have come fully to fruition? But assuming that was just a lucky guess, and it might have been, what else are we going to do on forums except talk sh!t?

                  Bold 3: I don't see the doing well. Players are regressing and the team is regressing. If we want to compare this team to the Kevin O'Neill years and latter Colangelo years, ok, then all is good. But I would think the goal at this point is to continue to show progress and improvement. That isn't happening.

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                  • #10
                    Axel wrote: View Post
                    Entirely the type of post I was hoping to keep out of this thread (it really belongs in the #FireCasey thread).
                    That is a good point.

                    Sorry, I replied.

                    Maybe they could get moved to #FireCasey?

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                    • #11
                      Axel wrote: View Post
                      Marc Jackson – Not someone I am interested in personally, here is a good example of why:

                      “While Jackson excelled as a leader, he was not interested in the minutiae of coaching, according to sources. He so rarely watched film that the video team eventually stopped loading clips onto his laptop. He didn’t draw up plays during huddles, or carry a clipboard. He often looked at his cellphone during practice, even when management was around. His relationship with the front office grew more strained.” Via Hoopshype.com
                      Hahaha this is the best thing ever.
                      I like the idea of coaching.....I just don't like any of the things that a coach needs to do.

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                      • #12
                        Letter N wrote: View Post
                        Hahaha this is the best thing ever.
                        I like the idea of coaching.....I just don't like any of the things that a coach needs to do.
                        haha yup, that basically seems to be it. Best suited as an analyst.
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                        If you see KeonClark in the wasteland, please share your food and water with him.

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                        • #13
                          Hoiberg looks promising but college coaches going to NBA is always a crap shoot.

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                          • #14
                            psrs1 wrote: View Post
                            Hoiberg looks promising but college coaches going to NBA is always a crap shoot.
                            True but he was an NBA player and spent time in front office.

                            His biggest knock would be it was Minny's front office-lol

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                            • #15
                              Ah, coaching candidates. Let me think about some of the names brought up...

                              I like Hoiberg and Thibs, partly because I actually have an idea how, and how well, they coach.

                              Names I don't like...
                              -Payton: great player, but he spent a lot of his career under Karl, and I'm not sure how well he'd actually scheme/strategize. Do not want to be the team giving him a first shot.
                              -Walberg: somehow reminds me of a Tex Winter type of situation. The kind of guy who'd be your offensive assistant and design your schemes. But he's never had a decent HC job. Could be good, but I'm skeptical.
                              -Marc Jackson: didn't think he'd be a good coach before GSW, and I can't say I think any differently now.

                              Other names I really don't know much of anything about.

                              Pack I remember as a player. Bit players always intrigue me a bit as coaching candidates. You've really gotta understand something if you make a career with limited skill as a player and then move on to coaching.

                              Also glad Karl is out of the mix now. Hated how much people would bring him up as an option since MU took the GM job.

                              I might add the obvious "is anyone on the Spurs staff a potentially good choice?". Might end up with a Mike Brown, but might be a Mike Budenholzer.

                              -Fitting into my "bit players sometimes make good coaches" thoughts...Chip Engelland and Ime Udoka could fit that bill. Chip is now the longest tenured Spurs assistant, however he seems to be more of a development guy, specifically with shooting. Not sure what Udoka does with the team. Funny angles are that Chip played in Canada while still a player, and Udoka is Nigerian.

                              -Ettore Messina might be the best name on the staff. Longtime Euro coach and often called the greatest coach in Europe. Came over to be an assistant under Pop. I assume learning the NBA ropes since he'd probably have to slightly change his style. But I wonder if he's the guy being groomed to take over Pop's job. Still, gotta wonder if he'd jump at a head coaching offer if one was given this summer.

                              -Not sure what to make of Boylen or Forcier. Boylen's had a long career as an assistant and has head coached in NCAA (Utah). I really like that Forcier's assisted under Carlisle and Pop. Hammon's a good story, but this is her first year as a coach and in the NBA. She seems to be in a "learn the ropes" situation, and doubt she's a viable choice at this point.

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