Everything 2024 Draft

[Primer]

Wish I could find the actual quote, but Bobby Webster talked about the advantages of a 2nd round pick being that you don't have to take on guaranteed/committed future salary. I know Primer and Dan are going to take offense to that... but it's exactly what Bobby said and it makes perfect sense for a team that always plans carefully and well in advance to be a non-tax team.

1st round picks are guaranteed for 2 years.

So you are proposing that the 31st pick would take a contract that is only guaranteed for 1 year?

[slaw]

Wish I could find the actual quote, but Bobby Webster talked about the advantages of a 2nd round pick being that you don't have to take on guaranteed/committed future salary. I know Primer and Dan are going to take offense to that... but it's exactly what Bobby said and it makes perfect sense for a team that always plans carefully and well in advance to be a non-tax team.

I think a lot of teams are going to want second round picks for that reason. Those aprons are going to be punishing.

[Primer]

I think a lot of teams are going to want second round picks for that reason. Those aprons are going to be punishing.

This is the advanange of 2nd round pick. It's not that you won't have guaranteed future salary. It's that you can retain some of your MLE.

[TomAmnot]

I predict we are able to trade Bruce Brown and the 31st pick to a team that is in win-now mode for their 1st round pick (somewhere between the 15th pick and the 23rd pick)

[planetmars]

Will it?

Pretty sure it's same length broadcast but only 1 round.

It's still 5 minutes between picks in round 1.

Round 2 is now 4 minutes between picks (used to be 2 minutes). So second round will go longer. But first day should still be shorter.

[planetmars]

I predict we are able to trade Bruce Brown and the 31st pick to a team that is in win-now mode for their 1st round pick (somewhere between the 15th pick and the 23rd pick)

If we're trading a pick, I would guess we trade #19 before we trade #31. I think #31 is more valuable as it gives the team more flexibility. And since the draft is pretty even for the most part, they could get the guy they want at 19 around 31 anyway. Just like they did during the Koloko draft.

[planetmars]

I've come to realize my interest in this draft isn't who may fall to 19 or 31, it's about what the Raps may do to potentially move up or some sort of draft night trade. The 19th and 31st picks alone just isn't doing anything to create much excitement for me.

I doubt we move up. We never do. And there is a possibility of a Brown trade. That second night opens a lot of trade chatter up. Teams are all working at the same time, so easier to make deals happen.

As for the picks themselves, you have to consider our draft history. We are pretty good at this. I won't be surprised if one of the two guys we take ends up being an all-star one day.

[Primer]

It's still 5 minutes between picks in round 1.

Round 2 is now 4 minutes between picks (used to be 2 minutes). So second round will go longer. But first day should still be shorter.

I know the minutes between picks hasn't changed, but they always extend that for commercial breaks anyways. I expect the broadcast will be pretty damn similar in length when it's all said and done. First pick is supposed to drop at 8PM EST and I'd be really surprised if the broadcast is wrapped by 10:30PM. I bet it goes to 11. They split it up to sell more ads and day 1 is gonna have way more viewers so I don't think they want to reduce the amount of ad slots. Happy to be wrong here though.

[Primer]

If we're trading a pick, I would guess we trade #19 before we trade #31. I think #31 is more valuable as it gives the team more flexibility. And since the draft is pretty even for the most part, they could get the guy they want at 19 around 31 anyway. Just like they did during the Koloko draft.

I really don't think this is the case, most likely someone drops into our lap at 19 that should have gone higher, that guy would be gone by 31. Also a lot of speculation to say Koloko was our guy even if we didn't move back. Could have been Kessler or Nembhard or someone else.

We also don't need the tiny extra flexibility you get with a 2nd round pick, we don't have cap issues, we have talent issues and need to get the better guy at 19.

[LJ2]

I doubt we move up. We never do. And there is a possibility of a Brown trade. That second night opens a lot of trade chatter up. Teams are all working at the same time, so easier to make deals happen.

As for the picks themselves, you have to consider our draft history. We are pretty good at this. I won't be surprised if one of the two guys we take ends up being an all-star one day.

First time for everything I guess and a Brown trade might help bring in some young prospects with a higher ceiling than what I expect to be available at 19. At least if nothing happens on draft nights, we won't have to wait long until FA starts on June 30. If Raps have anything arranged to bring in any starting or high rotation level players we should find out within a week. If they don't do anything other than make their picks then it's another season I won't be too excited about.

[Primer]

I doubt we move up. We never do. And there is a possibility of a Brown trade. That second night opens a lot of trade chatter up. Teams are all working at the same time, so easier to make deals happen.

As for the picks themselves, you have to consider our draft history. We are pretty good at this. I won't be surprised if one of the two guys we take ends up being an all-star one day.

We try almost every year though. Now that we have 2 high picks maybe we actually have the juice to make it happen.

[3inthekeon]

Something interesting and surprisingly positive from NBA Trade Rumors:

• Both Vecenie and Jeff Goodman of Field of 68 (Twitter link) have received similar feedback on the quality of this year’s draft class. According to Vecenie, while this year’s top 10 is considered weak, the depth in the 10-25 range is viewed as strong, with the rest of the class at about the usual level. A veteran general manager offered a similar assessment to Goodman. “The depth of this draft, especially in the back half of the first round, isn’t much different than in most years,” that GM said. “But the top five – and even top 10 – collectively is as underwhelming as I’ve ever seen it.”

[planetmars]

I really don't think this is the case, most likely someone drops into our lap at 19 that should have gone higher, that guy would be gone by 31. Also a lot of speculation to say Koloko was our guy even if we didn't move back. Could have been Kessler or Nembhard or someone else.

We also don't need the tiny extra flexibility you get with a 2nd round pick, we don't have cap issues, we have talent issues and need to get the better guy at 19.

Few things here.

1) I don't want them to trade a pick. But if they move a pick, I would bet they would prefer to move #19 over #31. One because #19 is likely going to get them more in a trade. And two, because I think the talent level between 19 and 31 is pretty close in this draft. Yes we could lose out if someone drops like Topic or Dillingham. But I think that decision becomes clearer if that person isn't dropping to 19. We will have a better idea of what goes down during the draft. And trading 19 is likely going to happen when the 19th pick comes up and not before then.

2) As for the 2022 draft. There are rumours of Utah considering moving Kessler now. I don't think he's as good as he really is if that's true. Nor do I think he was ever in our radar. I think Nembhard was definitely a guy they wanted. But is there really that much of a difference between him and Koloko? I mean they played different positions so hard to compared, and unfortunately for Christian he had blood clots and had to retire. But ultimately the talent level was pretty much similar between the pick we gave to SA and the pick we got instead which is why I used that as a comparison to this year's draft.

3) We are not cash strapped now but every penny matters. Not this season but next season or the season after. We just gave Scottie a max, and it could turn to a super max. IQ is going to get an extension too. We may get someone in free agency. Also a second rounder is cheaper for the first 4 years of their deal than a first rounder is as a first rounder hits RFA after 3 years.

[planetmars]

First time for everything I guess and a Brown trade might help bring in some young prospects with a higher ceiling than what I expect to be available at 19. At least if nothing happens on draft nights, we won't have to wait long until FA starts on June 30. If Raps have anything arranged to bring in any starting or high rotation level players we should find out within a week. If they don't do anything other than make their picks then it's another season I won't be too excited about.

Are you hoping they make the playoffs or hoping they don't? I'm hoping they bottom out next season. We need another elite level prospect in 2025 and that draft is looking really good, but I want a top 7-8 pick and not a pick in the 10-15 range. And without making the playoffs, there is a good chance Scottie doesn't make all-nba which helps too. I'm ready for one more year of bad basketball.

So I personally hope they don't bring in a high rotation level player. At least not yet. I'm cool with the 2 picks and I'd like to use the cap space to get a bad contract and a future pick. Lots of teams will be hurting from a cap perspective. We can be one of the teams with cap space that helps those teams out. We can let that bad contract stay home too so they don't steal minutes from our young guys.

If Brown's option is picked up and is not traded that will suck. But they have all summer to rectify that decision. If he's wearing a Raptors uniform on opening day, that will be pretty brutal to be honest.

[planetmars]

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