Everything 2024 Draft

[golden]

I'm so glad I asked this and started more discussion about him.

There are plenty of other prospects we can discuss fellas.

Great idea. We can compare other prospects to Zach Edey!

Clingan compares favorably to Edey in advanced stats.

https://www.tankathon.com/players/co...i--kel-el-ware

[chris]

Boban put up 33pts/17reb per 36min on .800 TS% and a 54 PER, in the G-League. lol. 3 game sample size.

Goes to show you just how big a step up the NBA is from every other level of basketball in the world.

i mean boban has also put up 23 and 15 per 36 in 329 nba games with a career PER pf 25.2 and ORtg of 122. the problem is that teams couldn't keep him on the floor because of his immobility on defence.

edey's college prodcution could absolutely scale up offesnively in the nba and i would expect him to be just as unplayable, or only situationally useful, as boban has been

[golden]

i mean boban has also put up 23 and 15 per 36 in 329 nba games with a career PER pf 25.2 and ORtg of 122. the problem is that teams couldn't keep him on the floor because of his immobility on defence.

edey's college prodcution could absolutely scale up offesnively in the nba and i would expect him to be just as unplayable, or only situationally useful, as boban has been

lol. He’s averaged only 8.7 MPG in his career, so most of that are garbage time stats. Your extrapolation is almost as bad as my 3 game sample size.

[chris]

lol. He’s averaged only 8.7 MPG in his career, so most of that are garbage time stats. Your extrapolation is almost as bad as my 3 game sample size.

first of all, 9 minutes is a lot of garbage time, so no, those aren't all garbage time stats. but just go and browse some game logs from his prime on basketball reference... his production is there when he plays big minutes too, but for some reason the teams he's played for have only played him big minutes in specific matchups or when they have major injury issues... i wonder why that is?

[Kagemusha]

first of all, 9 minutes is a lot of garbage time, so no, those aren't all garbage time stats. but just go and browse some game logs from his prime on basketball reference... his production is there when he plays big minutes too, but for some reason the teams he's played for have only played him big minutes in specific matchups or when they have major injury issues... i wonder why that is?

Defensive liability

[golden]

first of all, 9 minutes is a lot of garbage time, so no, those aren't all garbage time stats. but just go and browse some game logs from his prime on basketball reference... his production is there when he plays big minutes too, but for some reason the teams he's played for have only played him big minutes in specific matchups or when they have major injury issues... i wonder why that is?

I don't mind taking a flyer on Edey in the second round. You're right though, like the year Boban got traded from Clippers to Sixers, he was super efficient and I used to wonder if his offense could outweigh his defensive liabilities outside the paint. I mean, I even thought we were going to see more of him in the playoffs when Embiid was out of the game. Fortunately, we got Greg Monroe.

[DanH]

Is Edey a GREAT college player? yes. No one's arguing that. But the topic of this thread is 2024 Draft. You think he can do in the NBA what he's doing in college? I have serious doubt. To me he's another Boban. That's not exactly "solid".

I mean, do you usually expect college players, especially those picked in the later end of the first or 2nd round, to do what they do in college in the NBA? I don't think anyone is saying they should take him with a top 4 pick, which they absolutely should do if they thought he could replicate his college success in the NBA. That's a silly bar to measure by.

I understand that to you he's another Boban, which is a point I pretty clearly expressed in my post ("He also has a game where there are question marks that can lead to interesting debate"). You are very likely wrong (he's clearly capable of different things than Boban, even if ultimately he doesn't work out in the NBA), but that also doesn't mean he's worth spending a first round pick on. Hence the extensive discussion, which was all I was saying. Whereas obviously if he's NOT another Boban, then he could be a solid C. Obviously if the Raps front office is taking him with a first round pick, it's because they believe he can be a solid C, not because they believe he can't be. And I was just pointing out the value of a solid C if indeed he ends up being that.

[The Great One]

The Ringer updated their mock draft. Thy have the Raps taking Buzelis and Collier at 6 and 17.

[DanH]

Edey is a 'solid' C to you, at the NBA level?

Edey is a college player who has never played in the NBA. Maybe, is the correct answer.

[3inthekeon]

Great idea. We can compare other prospects to Zach Edey!

Clingan compares favorably to Edey in advanced stats.

https://www.tankathon.com/players/co...i--kel-el-ware

ESPN Givony really likes Clingan. Now at 5 on his 100 list. From the other day:

Clingan single-handedly changed the complexion of UConn's Round of 32 matchup with Northwestern, putting a lid on the basket and making the contest feel over almost as soon as it started on Sunday. Clingan is moving like a different person compared to three months ago, covering ground exceptionally well comparatively and giving UConn a plethora of ways in which to guard ball screens. He was hedging well out beyond the 3-point line for much of the first half, having the agility to extinguish the ball handler at the level of the screen before recovering back to the paint and contesting shots at the rim, blocking eight shots in 27 minutes.

His much-improved conditioning is allowing him to make multiple efforts going up to protect the rim and then flipping his hips to go right back up again, blocking shots with both hands and showing impressive timing and instincts while usually keeping the ball in bounds so his team can retain possession. Clingan also crashed the boards, finishing with 14 rebounds to go with 14 points and doing a decent amount of facilitation as a hub for UConn's offense. Still, it was his work defensively that stood out most vividly and the skill set that gives him a chance to be a true difference-maker on that end of the floor in the NBA.

[The Great One]

This kid Carter is nice.

[planetmars]

The Ringer updated their mock draft. Thy have the Raps taking Buzelis and Collier at 6 and 17.

Buzelis has a bit of a Markkanen vibe to me. His 3pt percentage is not great. But I think he has a good form and that can be improved. But he's a long player (6'10) that likes to take shots from the perimeter. Has enough agility to get to the rim off the dribble.

nbadraft.net is a bit of a joke at times but compares him to Franz Wagner. I think Wagner was a better defender/shooter yet I saw his game more in college.

I have a bias against kids who went to the G-league. I feel like if you struggle there a bit you aren't going to be great in the NBA. Yet Green and Kuminga have sort of figured things out now. Scoot is still a wait and see.

I think I could warm up to Buzelis.

Collier I have no idea about. Will research him more.

[3inthekeon]

Wasserman updated his mock as well. Have fun with these pro comps.

6 (Raps) - Castle. Pro Comparison: RJ Barrett
7 - Clingan, Pro Comparison: Jakob Poeltl
9 - Buzelis. Pro Comparison: Hedo Türko?lu
11 - McCain. Pro Comparison: Immanuel Quickley

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ad-of-sweet-16

[The Great One]

Wasserman updated his mock as well. Have fun with these pro comps.

6 (Raps) - Castle. Pro Comparison: RJ Barrett
7 - Clingan, Pro Comparison: Jakob Poeltl
9 - Buzelis. Pro Comparison: Hedo Türko?lu
11 - McCain. Pro Comparison: Immanuel Quickley

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ad-of-sweet-16

Castle at 6? Ware at 17 and a PG at 31? now that is a dream draft.

[planetmars]

Is Dean on Draft no longer a thing? I found his takes useful last season. Last update seems to be from December where he writes about Isaiah Collier:
https://deanondraft.substack.com/p/i...y-of-1-overall

Apparently ESPN had him at #1 at that point.