Everything 2024 Draft

[Limited Upside]

I still want the pick to convey, but after a couple rounds of the NCAA tournament:

6: Reed Sheppard
17: Devin Carter/Ja'Kobe Walter
31: Coleman Hawkins

[LJ2]

Is Dean on Draft no longer a thing? I found his takes useful last season. Last update seems to be from December where he writes about Isaiah Collier:
https://deanondraft.substack.com/p/i...y-of-1-overall

Apparently ESPN had him at #1 at that point.

I haven't seen Adam Spinella's Box And One videos on youtube either. He was really great at breaking down prospects and had detailed scouting reports, but I haven't seen anything in a while. Maybe he got picked up by a team to do some scouting?

[planetmars]

I haven't seen Adam Spinella's Box And One videos on youtube either. He was really great at breaking down prospects and had detailed scouting reports, but I haven't seen anything in a while. Maybe he got picked up by a team to do some scouting?

Yeah the Box and One guy is a scout for Philly now. Maybe "Dean" is a scout as well. Which sucks for all us fans lol

[LJ2]

Yeah the Box and One guy is a scout for Philly now. Maybe "Dean" is a scout as well. Which sucks for all us fans lol

Yeah it sucks for us fans, but I'm happy for these guys who spent years putting in all that work providing free content now that it's paid off. Samson Folk is another independent guy who I'm hoping gets recognized for the great work he does.

[Kagemusha]

Wasserman updated his mock as well. Have fun with these pro comps.

6 (Raps) - Castle. Pro Comparison: RJ Barrett
7 - Clingan, Pro Comparison: Jakob Poeltl
9 - Buzelis. Pro Comparison: Hedo Türko?lu
11 - McCain. Pro Comparison: Immanuel Quickley

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ad-of-sweet-16

30. Boston Celtics: Zach Edey

They can afford to, tbh

[TrueTorontoFan]

I said I'm not really interested in picking him.

But to continue to play devil's advocate.. why are you looking at Rudy in the playoffs when he only got there in his 4th year? You don't think Edey will get better in 3-4 years? If Edey can show a positive impact at the NBA level you don't think a coach will change their game plan? I don't think Utah had plans to center their defense around Rudy until he showed that promise. I mean Gobert was drafted 27th. He averaged less than 10mpg and played in 45 games as a rookie.

I watched the world cup too. Edey had some moments that were rough for sure. But the sample size is so small. And he was basically treated as the 11th or 12th man in that lineup. On a team that had little to no training camp. On an NBA roster with more training and personnel and reps to help him grow I think he could show more. Or maybe not. It's definitely a risk.

And getting caught on the perimeter happens. How often though? Jak maybe was out of position a handful of times in the whole season. Gobert got switched on to Steph in the playoffs as well and paid for it. You adjust and figure it out. I'm not even sure if Darko will be here in 2-3 years either.

I mean if you aren't interested in picking him fair enough then. I think if you want to go the route of taking that kind of center Donovan Clingan is better and similar size. 7'2. Faster more mobile. The foot speed is a major problem. Clingan is two years younger than Edey too.

As for Darko NO I dont believe that he is the most willing to change. Look how long it took for him to shift Dennis out of the starting line up and try some line ups that made sense. His own "man" Dennis said he is similar to Blatt but a tiny bit more flexible. That was early on on the Will Lou show if i'm not mistaken.

If Darko was willing to shift he would have tried different things throughout the season. He would have ran Gradey off screens in movement sets instead of sitting him in the corner for 40 games before realizing OH WOW if I run a screen for him he gets open and shoots. Movement shooting is tougher but its what gradey has literally trained to do.


Darko using his beset above the break shooters in the corners and using the guys who shoot the best in the corners above the break is wonky. I feel like there is a big push for Edey because he is Canadian. He would force you to play drop coverage. Heck Poeltl should force you to play more drop coverage based on his abilities. The shot is extremely slow too any time he has taken it so that is another issue if you think he can develop that. He would effectively do one of too things to use him optimally. Slow down the offense, or cramp the spacing which frankly Poeltl does already. Barnes is not a good pull up 3 point shooter. All his shooting boost this year came from catch and shots and once the gravity of better players was removed his shooting splits went into the tank. W/90% of his 3pointers being made on assists.


On pull ups Barnes shot shot 17.5%. He needs a handle or players to generate advantages to buy him time to get into spots with a shaky handle. Even if he improves its handle needs to become functional FIRST. Not just looking fancy but functional. Kawhi wasted less movements with his handle but was concise and balanced in his movements.

I think having a big man who can be an offensive threat whose range is beyond the rim.... would be and beneficial. Most people were literally complaining about that with one of the dudes who went out even though he actually was shooting a good percentage from downtown after the first 15 games of the season even in our uniform.

I dont think Edey's talent is good enough to warrant shifting things to help him over-focus on other players on our roster who are frankly better. I have no problem taking a center but I lean against that kind of center and I lean against that particular one.

[TrueTorontoFan]

Adam Spinella works for Nurse now just as a heads up.

[Joey]

Wasserman updated his mock as well. Have fun with these pro comps.

6 (Raps) - Castle. Pro Comparison: RJ Barrett
7 - Clingan, Pro Comparison: Jakob Poeltl
9 - Buzelis. Pro Comparison: Hedo Türko?lu
11 - McCain. Pro Comparison: Immanuel Quickley

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ad-of-sweet-16

How are you going to miss everyones favourite - Topic compared to everyones favourite: Goran Dragic. Lol

[golden]

How are you going to miss everyone’s favourite - Topic compared to everyone’s favourite: Goran Dragic. Lol

Topic has higher ambitions.

[G______Deane]

Nah it's not the Canadian angle in this case. Like any draft pick, we always like to talk about "what if" potential?

In this case, it's the numbers: like, what if Edey's production actually does translate from NCAA to the NBA? Then you've got a star possibly buying low with a second round pick.

Barely a single discussion about the many other C in the draft but OK

[DanH]

I mean if you aren't interested in picking him fair enough then. I think if you want to go the route of taking that kind of center Donovan Clingan is better and similar size. 7'2. Faster more mobile. The foot speed is a major problem. Clingan is two years younger than Edey too.

I mean sure, but I've seen Clingan mocked mostly in the lotto. So not really a comparable prospect in terms of potential availability at the two picks we definitely have and where Edey makes sense as a discussion at least.

[Limited Upside]

If it's Cs we're talking about, not just Edey, of course there are other options that might fit better. None of them looks, to me, anyway, like someone to bank on as a starter 2-3 years from now. They all look highly one-dimensional.

Sarr: who knows what this guy will be, seems as likely to be a bust as anything.
Clingan/Filipowski look like career back-ups at best.
Missi is a freshman who can't shoot. Shot-blockers who can catch a lob pass are not that hard to find.
Kel'el Ware they can't even say if he has a motor of any kind; sounds not great.

And the next best rated C in most rankings is Edey.

There's nobody in this draft that looks to project even as good as Poeltl. One of them might, but it's not worth the risk on a lotto pick or the Indiana pick, IMO.

In short, they don't NEED a C right now, so if they take one, it's likely with the 2nd round pick, and at that point, Edey would be a fine gamble. I'd personally stick with my original choice of Coleman Hawkins at that stage, though.

[TrueTorontoFan]

I mean sure, but I've seen Clingan mocked mostly in the lotto. So not really a comparable prospect in terms of potential availability at the two picks we definitely have and where Edey makes sense as a discussion at least.

depends on the mock I have seen 12-17 which is technically partially in the lottery but also i was more focusing on player type.

[DanH]

depends on the mock I have seen 12-17 which is technically partially in the lottery

I've seen him mostly in that 7-14 range in the most recent mocks. Suspect if they want him, they'll need to keep their own pick to make it happen.

[TrueTorontoFan]

If it's Cs we're talking about, not just Edey, of course there are other options that might fit better. None of them looks, to me, anyway, like someone to bank on as a starter 2-3 years from now. They all look highly one-dimensional.

Sarr: who knows what this guy will be, seems as likely to be a bust as anything.
Clingan/Filipowski look like career back-ups at best.
Missi is a freshman who can't shoot. Shot-blockers who can catch a lob pass are not that hard to find.
Kel'el Ware they can't even say if he has a motor of any kind; sounds not great.

And the next best rated C in most rankings is Edey.

There's nobody in this draft that looks to project even as good as Poeltl. One of them might, but it's not worth the risk on a lotto pick or the Indiana pick, IMO.

In short, they don't NEED a C right now, so if they take one, it's likely with the 2nd round pick, and at that point, Edey would be a fine gamble. I'd personally stick with my original choice of Coleman Hawkins at that stage, though.

I think Sarr is someone who loooks to project better than Poeltl but he wont be available to your point. Ware is interesting because according to Woodson his motor issues have been addressed. I would have concerns too but yeah.