Everything 2024 Draft

[golden]

Have you ever hired for a company before? This logic is insane. Hiring someone from outside of your company who has shown a track record of being successful at the job you're hiring for is not saying welp we don't what we're doing. It's trying to get better but hiring top talent.

lol. I’ve hired multiple CEOs, execs, consultants, admin, operators, engineers, techs, interns…. you name it.

Your problem with this discussion is still your blind spot assumption: success. Nobody has been successful at the draft prediction game - so whether you promote internally or hire externally… you’re going to get the same results: mostly failure. Hiring internet bloggers and expecting them to make a difference feels like a desperate wild stab and a sobering admission of futility.

[Primer]

lol. I’ve hired multiple CEOs, execs, consultants, admin, operators, engineers, techs, interns…. you name it.

Your problem with this discussion is still your blind spot assumption: success. Nobody has been successful at the draft prediction game - so whether you promote internally or hire externally… you’re going to get the same results: mostly failure. Hiring internet bloggers and expecting them to make a difference feels like a desperate wild stab and a sobering admission of futility.

Please define draft prediction game.

I want to say you're objectively wrong but I don't know exactly what you mean by this.

[golden]

Please define draft prediction game.

I want to say you're objectively wrong but I don't know exactly what you mean by this.

I mean it's pretty easy definition. Getting the prediction game right would mean that the experts are not consistently under-rating (or drafting) star talent in a way that huge misses (like Kobe, Giannis, Luka, Jokic, Kawhi, Gasol, Manu, Parker, Butler, Dirk, Nash, Steph, Butler, Gobert, Siakam, etc.., etc.., ) occur on a regular basis. Same would apply to not ranking busts too high (that list is way too long).

[TrueTorontoFan]

The bold is exactly what they're doing!

Like holy crap man, how do you not get this.

Our GM also immediately traded one of our 2024 picks for a lotto pick from 2 drafts prior. They know this draft is weak and made moves to have less picks in it.

i am glad some ppl are still paying close attention to what happened. sadly cognitive dissonance is starting to occur and people are shifting goal posts acting like THIS WAS THE PLAN ALL ALONG. Yes to trade Siakam for a bunch of late first rounders primarily in a bad draft. Reminds me of when people hyped up Kira Lewis a few months ago.


As you said they knew this draft was weak... and to act differently is hoping that the front office will magically pull a rabbit out of the hat. Regardless of where one stands on the siakam trade idea... the return was piss poor. They managed the relationship badly and admitted to it. Good points Primer.

[TrueTorontoFan]

Based on what? Certainly not career outcome/production. If every year were to have a re-draft 5 years after the fact, I would be surprised if 10% of the picks remain in their same spot.

well you aren't necessarily also factoring in things like the developmental programs and situations which can dictate A LOT.

[TrueTorontoFan]

Bad like there are no potential obvious all-stars? Then who cares? I'd still rather get a pretty good player and use them as depth. Whether they are the #1 pick or the #30 pick. It's not like the top 6 guys in the 2025 draft will be unavailable to the team whether it conveys or it doesn't. After 7 you are looking at potential role players next year as well anyway. And that's if they land there. The Raptors could be a play-in team, or maybe the 10th worst team, if not the 7th.

People talk about this draft like it makes sense to convey the pick because that's the position that stupid Jak trade put us in. All draft picks can be helpful to a team, as they give you cost control and a potential core player for the next 6-7 years. What's important is scouting and developing that young talent. And our team is exceptionally good at that.

I mean if I was a Wizards or Hornets fan, I'd probably not want a pick in this draft since I know my front office would likely blow that pick. Thankfully I'm not though.

no bad like mainly role players ... bad like clingan is now being talked about as a top 3 pick when he doesn't have major offensive upside. How much development would it take for him to be sengun... He would never be that agile on offence. He gets beat at times in the college level but has the length to recover... at the next level the speed will not be good. It isn't a good draft. That isn't to say we wont have some help from the draft.. but the bar is low because our bench has been abyssmal. OK GREAT we went from flynn to moderately useful players YAY! Still have a long way to go.

[LJ2]

If you look at the consensus top 6 guys in this years draft it probably looks something like this:
Sarr
Risacher
Topic
Williams
Castle
Holland

Would you rather have your choice of one of those guys or your choice of whomever is in the 7-12 range in next year's draft because you would have to assume just with health alone that we'll be a better team?

[Primer]

If you look at the consensus top 6 guys in this years draft it probably looks something like this:
Sarr
Risacher
Topic
Williams
Castle
Holland

Would you rather have your choice of one of those guys or your choice of whomever is in the 7-12 range in next year's draft because you would have to assume just with health alone that we'll be a better team?

Our best case scenario since Scottie went down is getting a top 6 pick this year but it sucks because that is a really bad top 6 compared to almost every other draft year.

No one is really rooting to convey the pick anymore, but we can still be disappointed that we are drafting high in a historically bad draft.

It reminds me of when we drafted Bargs. We finally get the number 1 pick and it's a historically bad draft.

Just bad luck for the Raptors (and some questionable decisions by management) have us fans trying to cope with how bad this draft is now that we may have 3 picks in the top 31.

[LJ2]

Our best case scenario since Scottie went down is getting a top 6 pick this year but it sucks because that is a really bad top 6 compared to almost every other draft year.

No one is really rooting to convey the pick anymore, but we can still be disappointed that we are drafting high in a historically bad draft.

It reminds me of when we drafted Bargs. We finally get the number 1 pick and it's a historically bad draft.

Just bad luck for the Raptors (and some questionable decisions by management) have us fans trying to cope with how bad this draft is now that we may have 3 picks in the top 31.

The draft is bad at the top with nobody that looks like a generational talent, but there should be plenty of good players that can help our team. If RJ or Quickley are considered the second best player on this team I feel pretty good that we can find a player that can be on par or better than them in the draft and that's plenty to be excited about for me.

Wonder who Raps would have picked in the Andrea draft if Massai was the GM?. Aldridge, Roy, Rondo and Lowry were some notable players in that draft.

[3inthekeon]

lol. I’ve hired multiple CEOs, execs, consultants, admin, operators, engineers, techs, interns…. you name it.

Your problem with this discussion is still your blind spot assumption: success. Nobody has been successful at the draft prediction game - so whether you promote internally or hire externally… you’re going to get the same results: mostly failure. Hiring internet bloggers and expecting them to make a difference feels like a desperate wild stab and a sobering admission of futility.

lol. I'm 100% convinced you just made this up to make yourself seem like the smartest guy in the room in order to win your argument with Primer.

[The Great One]

I'm starting to have serious doubt that Flagg is a shoo in to go 1st overall next year. This guy Bailey looks like a young T-Mac. And his first name is Airous. That's a legendary name.

[Primer]

The draft is bad at the top with nobody that looks like a generational talent, but there should be plenty of good players that can help our team. If RJ or Quickley are considered the second best player on this team I feel pretty good that we can find a player that can be on par or better than them in the draft and that's plenty to be excited about for me.

Wonder who Raps would have picked in the Andrea draft if Massai was the GM?. Aldridge, Roy, Rondo and Lowry were some notable players in that draft.

Most likely Aldridge, he was the obvious choice at the time but Colangelo has a huge boner for Euro players so we selected Bargs.

As for this draft, yes we can definitely get some rotation players if we draft well, I just don't see us getting a future all star which is what you want with a top 6 pick.

[Primer]

I'm starting to have serious doubt that Flagg is a shoo in to go 1st overall next year. This guy Bailey looks like a young T-Mac. And his first name is Airous. That's a legendary name.

Next years draft is really freaking good.

[LJ2]

Most likely Aldridge, he was the obvious choice at the time but Colangelo has a huge boner for Euro players so we selected Bargs.

As for this draft, yes we can definitely get some rotation players if we draft well, I just don't see us getting a future all star which is what you want with a top 6 pick.

Agree, there aren't any players that look like obvious future superstars, and that is what you want a chance at with a top 6 pick. I just don't think you're getting that below the 6th pick in next year's draft either and you're probably picking from guys who are similar in talent to guys in the top 6 this year anyway. We blew up our team this and we are in reach of a top 6 pick this year. We'd have to be disastrously bad next year to have a chance at a top 6 again.

There are a couple of guys in this year's draft whom I think could be superstars down the line. I've been talking up Salaun and I think Castle has a shot as well. Even if they don't turn into superstars, if they turn out to be better than IQ or Barret that's a nice, low cost upgrade to the roster.

[Kagemusha]

I'm starting to have serious doubt that Flagg is a shoo in to go 1st overall next year. This guy Bailey looks like a young T-Mac. And his first name is Airous. That's a legendary name.

I would pick him over Flagg.
Next year's tanking is going to be nuts.