Everything 2024 Draft

[The Great One]

I would pick him over Flagg.
Next year's tanking is going to be nuts.

Raps making the playoffs next year. At worst play in.

[Kagemusha]

Raps making the playoffs next year. At worst play in.

Masai should be fired for choosing the wrong year to be bad.

[The Great One]

Masai should be fired for choosing the wrong year to be bad.

A bad draft was sandwiched between two all time great draft and Masai chose to be bad in a bad draft class.

[3inthekeon]

A bad draft was sandwiched between two all time great draft and Masai chose to be bad in a bad draft class.

Maybe we'll get really lucky, drop 4 spots and give the Spurs the crummy 10th pick.

[Kagemusha]

A bad draft was sandwiched between two all time great draft and Masai chose to be bad in a bad draft class.

I am so done with Masai.
His vision and long term planning is the worst.
Vision 6'9".
Bad asset management.

[planetmars]

no bad like mainly role players ... bad like clingan is now being talked about as a top 3 pick when he doesn't have major offensive upside. How much development would it take for him to be sengun... He would never be that agile on offence. He gets beat at times in the college level but has the length to recover... at the next level the speed will not be good. It isn't a good draft. That isn't to say we wont have some help from the draft.. but the bar is low because our bench has been abyssmal. OK GREAT we went from flynn to moderately useful players YAY! Still have a long way to go.

I mean Gradey is a "role" player too. Teams would be lucky to draft a role player that sticks in the NBA. If you want to draft an all-star caliber player that's usually the pipe dream. It doesn't always pan out. But we were able to turn guys into all-stars that didn't show that potential when they got here. Like Pascal and Fred for example. Norm wasn't an all-star but was basically a 6MOY type. OG is role player, but all-defense.

Flynn was a bust. I recognized that he didn't pan out and was a failure. But every other player (besides Bruno who was a huge reach) was a success. We should believe in our front office when it comes to drafting. I know most are disappointed in them, but they've still been great at drafting. Scottie, Christian and Gradey have all shown that.

I don't know why people are overlooking how good our front office is with the draft. They have a stellar record. I bet they find someone great, even in a so called weak draft. And they get potentially 3 kicks at the can too this summer.

[planetmars]

Bad as in odds are a lot lower with every pick that you will get a solid nba player.

What's a "solid" nba player? And you don't think Masai/Tolzman will find one? And why not?

[3inthekeon]

Not sure which 10 year sample this represents, but here is an interesting chart of draft expectations.

https://www.draftexpress.com/

[3inthekeon]

I mean Gradey is a "role" player too. Teams would be lucky to draft a role player that sticks in the NBA. If you want to draft an all-star caliber player that's usually the pipe dream. It doesn't always pan out. But we were able to turn guys into all-stars that didn't show that potential when they got here. Like Pascal and Fred for example. Norm wasn't an all-star but was basically a 6MOY type. OG is role player, but all-defense.

Flynn was a bust. I recognized that he didn't pan out and was a failure. But every other player (besides Bruno who was a huge reach) was a success. We should believe in our front office when it comes to drafting. I know most are disappointed in them, but they've still been great at drafting. Scottie, Christian and Gradey have all shown that.

I don't know why people are overlooking how good our front office is with the draft. They have a stellar record. I bet they find someone great, even in a so called weak draft. And they get potentially 3 kicks at the can too this summer.

Bruno was a huge reach, but other teams ended up seeing his potential as well - he lasted 7 years in the league. Only 5 of the next 17 picks lasted longer. I would argue the FO's biggest fail was in the same draft, taking Daniels at 37. 3 of the next 4 picks - Dinwiddie, Jerami Grant and Jokic.

[planetmars]

Bruno was a huge reach, but other teams ended up seeing his potential as well - he lasted 7 years in the league. Only 5 of the next 17 picks lasted longer. I would argue the FO's biggest fail was in the same draft, taking Daniels at 37. 3 of the next 4 picks - Dinwiddie, Jerami Grant and Jokic.

I was mostly concentrating on first rounders. Shouldn't have used Norm then as an example.

But Daniels also got hurt pretty early into his career, so we're not sure what would have happened to him. Sort of like both Jalen Harris and Christian Koloko. But yeah Jokic obviously was the guy everyone passed on.

[The Great One]

Carrington a couple of weeks ago said that he's coming back to college, now he just declared that he's entering the draft.

This guy is THE pick. Don't screw this up Masai.

[3inthekeon]

I was mostly concentrating on first rounders. Shouldn't have used Norm then as an example.

But Daniels also got hurt pretty early into his career, so we're not sure what would have happened to him. Sort of like both Jalen Harris and Christian Koloko. But yeah Jokic obviously was the guy everyone passed on.

Daniels was already 22 when drafted then went overseas for a year. The foot injury cost him about 9 months true, but even when healthy he never could crack our roster or any other teams.

[3inthekeon]

Carrington a couple of weeks ago said that he's coming back to college, now he just declared that he's entering the draft.

This guy is THE pick. Don't screw this up Masai.

Smart move on his part.

[TrueTorontoFan]

I mean Gradey is a "role" player too. Teams would be lucky to draft a role player that sticks in the NBA. If you want to draft an all-star caliber player that's usually the pipe dream. It doesn't always pan out. But we were able to turn guys into all-stars that didn't show that potential when they got here. Like Pascal and Fred for example. Norm wasn't an all-star but was basically a 6MOY type. OG is role player, but all-defense.

Flynn was a bust. I recognized that he didn't pan out and was a failure. But every other player (besides Bruno who was a huge reach) was a success. We should believe in our front office when it comes to drafting. I know most are disappointed in them, but they've still been great at drafting. Scottie, Christian and Gradey have all shown that.

I don't know why people are overlooking how good our front office is with the draft. They have a stellar record. I bet they find someone great, even in a so called weak draft. And they get potentially 3 kicks at the can too this summer.

gradey has much higher upside than a role player though. You can see he has already flashed 3 level scoring potential and as long as he defends at an above averaege rate there is a lot of things he can do.



In terms of our front office and drafting. I am neutral. There are some bad ones and good ones. I think developmentally we have tried to get too many high ceiling low floor players who are out right... raw. I dont want raw players. Gradey is the highest skill floored prospect we have ever drafted.. how sad is that. That isn't shade against Gradey either ... instead its what we have focused on.. we thought we could teach anyone how to play but when the developmental run way has so long to go to get to a functional level you waste two years. Ryan dunn is a good example. He could be something great but he needs the right developmental situation to get it out of him because his offense is pretty subpar.





OG is an elite role player but realistically came in during a different era where the overall team was better giving you more runway to give guys shots...


we have drafted guys who don't have a ton of skill barnes included.

[Primer]

What's a "solid" nba player? And you don't think Masai/Tolzman will find one? And why not?

If we get guys who stick in the league for 5+ years at every pick I'll be pleasantly surprised. If we get more than 1 starting caliber player I will be pleasantly surprised. If we don't keep our top 6 pick I don't think we'll get a starting caliber player out of this draft.