Everything 2024 Draft

[planetmars]

He's changing his tune, that helps with the cope for sure. He also noted how it's universally seen as bad by everyone but him. He also thinks Edey is a lotto pick so maybe his analysis is off this year. He got absolutely roasted in the comments on Twitter when he said that.

"Universally seen as bad by everyone but him" is a grandiose claim. Where are you getting that from? Are you going to provide evidence of this or just keep saying it with fingers plugged in your ears?


Givony said "some have taken that several steps further..."

"Some" could be a couple of guys.


I mean I'll give you another.. Kevin O'Connor from the Ringer had this to say:
https://nbadraft.theringer.com/

"Looking at this year's draft class is like heading to your favorite steakhouse only to find out they’re out of steak. Sure, there are still plenty of other delicious options: your trusted bigs, two-way upside wings, and guards who can cook up their own shots. But there’s no Wagyu porterhouse like Victor Wembanyama last year. There isn’t even a consensus on which entrées are the best."

I don't like O'Connor but that's two guys now that say otherwise.


Want a third?

Here is a quote from Kyle Boon of CBS Sports:
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2...march-madness/

"It's a good year to be a fan of college basketball and perhaps an even better year for some of the top teams in the sport to be carried by some of the most promising NBA prospects of the cycle. Our mock below reflects as much, and even with a deep international class once again, there's a heavy mix of college prospects who will likely be focal points of March."


How about a fourth?

Here is a tweet from Jonathan Wasserman:

Again saying the top of the draft is considered weak. Doesn't describe the rest of the draft like you keep implying.


Please show me at least 3 reputable draft sources that says the entire draft is weak. Or just admit you are wrong here.

[LJ2]

Yeah, he does disagree now. Doesn't change the fact most NBA execs view this as a terrible draft. Givony seems to be the lone voice that now likes the draft. He also thinks Edey is a lotto pick, which gives you an idea of where his head is at.

Who are these NBA execs you speak of? I thought it was just some media guys and some draft bloggers that are talking about it. I'm of the same opinion as PM, this is not a great draft at the top but the rest is about the same as any other year. Like there is no way the universe perfectly aligned this one year to have players 1-58 to all be dramatically worse than any other year.

[3inthekeon]

"Universally seen as bad by everyone but him" is a grandiose claim. Where are you getting that from? Are you going to provide evidence of this or just keep saying it with fingers plugged in your ears?


Givony said "some have taken that several steps further..."

"Some" could be a couple of guys.


I mean I'll give you another.. Kevin O'Connor from the Ringer had this to say:
https://nbadraft.theringer.com/

"Looking at this year's draft class is like heading to your favorite steakhouse only to find out they’re out of steak. Sure, there are still plenty of other delicious options: your trusted bigs, two-way upside wings, and guards who can cook up their own shots. But there’s no Wagyu porterhouse like Victor Wembanyama last year. There isn’t even a consensus on which entrées are the best."

I don't like O'Connor but that's two guys now that say otherwise.


Want a third?

Here is a quote from Kyle Boon of CBS Sports:
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2...march-madness/

"It's a good year to be a fan of college basketball and perhaps an even better year for some of the top teams in the sport to be carried by some of the most promising NBA prospects of the cycle. Our mock below reflects as much, and even with a deep international class once again, there's a heavy mix of college prospects who will likely be focal points of March."


How about a fourth?

Here is a tweet from Jonathan Wasserman:

Again saying the top of the draft is considered weak. Doesn't describe the rest of the draft like you keep implying.


Please show me at least 3 reputable draft sources that says the entire draft is weak. Or just admit you are wrong here.

You're better than I am at finding stuff. I googled the weak draft thing. Plenty of hits. Many are from last year. The more recent ones basically say the same thing: the top of the draft is extremely weak/the weakest. None said a word about anything outside the lottery picks.

[golden]

planetmars woke up feeling dangerous. lol.

[planetmars]

planetmars woke up feeling dangerous. lol.

Lol.. I logged off of RR after work and saw the reply this morning, and then just did some quick google searches. No way was the entire draft considered weak. That was a preposterous take. And was pretty easy to disprove.

[Primer]

"Universally seen as bad by everyone but him" is a grandiose claim. Where are you getting that from? Are you going to provide evidence of this or just keep saying it with fingers plugged in your ears?


Givony said "some have taken that several steps further..."

"Some" could be a couple of guys.


I mean I'll give you another.. Kevin O'Connor from the Ringer had this to say:
https://nbadraft.theringer.com/

"Looking at this year's draft class is like heading to your favorite steakhouse only to find out they’re out of steak. Sure, there are still plenty of other delicious options: your trusted bigs, two-way upside wings, and guards who can cook up their own shots. But there’s no Wagyu porterhouse like Victor Wembanyama last year. There isn’t even a consensus on which entrées are the best."

I don't like O'Connor but that's two guys now that say otherwise.


Want a third?

Here is a quote from Kyle Boon of CBS Sports:
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2...march-madness/

"It's a good year to be a fan of college basketball and perhaps an even better year for some of the top teams in the sport to be carried by some of the most promising NBA prospects of the cycle. Our mock below reflects as much, and even with a deep international class once again, there's a heavy mix of college prospects who will likely be focal points of March."


How about a fourth?

Here is a tweet from Jonathan Wasserman:

Again saying the top of the draft is considered weak. Doesn't describe the rest of the draft like you keep implying.


Please show me at least 3 reputable draft sources that says the entire draft is weak. Or just admit you are wrong here.

This is a nice tall glass of copium. Delicious.

Doesn't change what Givony just said on how NBA execs view the draft.

"The lack of talent in the 2024 draft is no longer a controversial opinion to have among NBA executives, where it is a frequent topic.
Some have taken that several steps further, universally panning the 2024 draft as a bad class -- not just at the top -- but as a whole for the entire first and second rounds."

Maybe the blog writers have an ulterior motive to puff up the draft as it approaches, no one wants to read articles about how bad the draft sucks. The people reading this stuff are fans of teams with picks. Nba execs don't have that ulterior motive.

[Primer]

Who are these NBA execs you speak of? I thought it was just some media guys and some draft bloggers that are talking about it. I'm of the same opinion as PM, this is not a great draft at the top but the rest is about the same as any other year. Like there is no way the universe perfectly aligned this one year to have players 1-58 to all be dramatically worse than any other year.

Givony speaks directly to NBA execs and he said it. So take it up with him.

[3inthekeon]

I didn't realise the CBA changes for 2nd round picks until now. Pick 31 looks much more valuable than in years past.

[3inthekeon]

Givony speaks directly to NBA execs and he said it. So take it up with him.

He said "some". If he was talking about NBA exec's wouldn't he have said "some execs?". There are plenty of people outside FO's talking about the draft.

[LJ2]

Givony speaks directly to NBA execs and he said it. So take it up with him.

Givony speaks to his wife and the barista at his local Starbucks as well I'd assume. To take the quote where he says "some" and pass it on as NBA execs saying it to him is a pretty big reach. Thought maybe you had a different quote you were referencing but I guess this is just your interpretation.

[Primer]

He said "some". If he was talking about NBA exec's wouldn't he have said "some execs?". There are plenty of people outside FO's talking about the draft.

It sounded like he said all think it's a weak draft, and some think it's stinks top to bottom.

[A.I]

I think people are taking the weak draft thing way out of context. Its weak in terms of there likely won't be a superstar or stars coming from this draft, but that doesn't mean there won't be any good players. Some players end up being a surprise as well.

[3inthekeon]

It sounded like he said all think it's a weak draft, and some think it's stinks top to bottom.

To me he's saying some people, after hearing about the weak/weakest draft, believe execs are talking about the entire draft and not just the top end.

[3inthekeon]

To change from one over-discussed subject to another over-discussed subject, this from ESPN Insider today:

"With Edey, he's just so big ... but the thing about Edey is he's nimble and has incredible footwork and body control," one opposing coach said. "It's not as easy as, 'Just be physical and throw a double at him.' He's seen everything an opposing defense can do. Double-team, triple-team, play him one-on-one, trap when he dribbles. [Matt] Painter is one of the best coaches and Edey has an incredibly high basketball IQ."

[G______Deane]

To change from one over-discussed subject to another over-discussed subject, this from ESPN Insider today:

"With Edey, he's just so big ... but the thing about Edey is he's nimble and has incredible footwork and body control," one opposing coach said. "It's not as easy as, 'Just be physical and throw a double at him.' He's seen everything an opposing defense can do. Double-team, triple-team, play him one-on-one, trap when he dribbles. [Matt] Painter is one of the best coaches and Edey has an incredibly high basketball IQ."

Then he's too big and too high IQ to be a Raptory pick