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  • #16
    peanutwoozle wrote: View Post
    because he hasn't proven that he can make a big decision yet.

    the same argument we used with BC eh? how exactly did that work out.

    and by the way, the moves he made were no-brainers.
    I'm just curious though.. what big decision should he have made that he didn't? And when should he have made it?

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    • #17
      peanutwoozle wrote: View Post
      that's what I'm saying, Masai has yet to be put in a position to make that big decision (or maybe he has, but decided to steer clear to avoid criticism), so far, all he's been getting praise for were no-brainer moves
      You have no possible way of knowing any of this. And, wait, if he was in a position to make a big decision and didn't pull the trigger that is still a big decision right? Saying no is sometimes a bigger gamble than saying yes.

      The second part is just absurd. Even if you think re-signing Lowry, trading Gay, trading Bargnani, trading for Lou Williams, re-signing Patterson and Vazquez were all 'no-brainer moves', Ujiri still had to put himself in a position to extract maximum value in all those scenarios, which he seems to have accomplished. There is skill in that if nothing else.

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      • #18
        MangoKid wrote: View Post
        I think re-signing Lowry was a massive decision. Trading Rudy Gay was a big decision. I think he's fared pretty well. You can't keep changing general managers. You need to establish some sort of stability. Right now, firing a GM after 2 seasons after leading them to the playoffs in consecutive seasons after a 5 year playoff drought allows him a bit of a longer leash.
        Agreed. The Gay decision was pretty big in itself, but probably the biggest decision Masai made was to NOT go back to the table and sweeten the Lowry to Knicks deal, just for the sake of getting it done, which would have truly set in motion a tank last year. Huge, ballsy decision by MU against the wishes of a fanbase & media (hello Tim W. & Tim Chisholm) that desperately wanted the Raps to tank for Wiggins. BTW... anybody remember that hilarious 'Open Letter to Masai'? For some reason, that thread has disappeared from RR. Mods: can we revive it just for laughs?

        http://forums.realgm.com/boards/view...f=32&t=1288317

        And how would tanking for Wiggins have worked out? With the benefit of hindsight, we know for a fact that we'd be looking at somebody like Marcus Smart, Aaron Gordon or Dante Exum as a our transcendent, elite, franchise core building block, from that supposedly once-in-a-decade draft class last year. Is that the big decision Peanutwoozle is clamoring for?

        Not selling Lowry for pennies on the dollar was a massive, massive decision that worked out.
        Last edited by golden; Wed Apr 22, 2015, 12:34 PM.

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        • #19
          mcHAPPY wrote: View Post
          First round speed bump likely to lose all-star PF after team has made young PG face of franchise?

          This is what we aspire to?
          Portland has gotten past the first round once in the past 15 years. Let's aspire to that. Wait a minute.
          "We're playing in a building." -- Kawhi Leonard

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          • #20
            S.R. wrote: View Post
            Lowry was being recruited by Western Conference contenders - it was anything but a sure thing he'd be back in Toronto. A lot of people thought Gay was basically untradeable (even Doug Smith: "Astonishing that Raptors GM Masai Ujiri was able to trade albatross contract so early" http://www.thestar.com/sports/doug_s..._blessing.html). Write ups about the Bargs deal included lines like: "The Toronto Raptors have found a taker for Andrea Bargnani, further evidence that no contract is untradeable" and " it’s new Raptors GM Masai Ujiri working his magic once again, getting something in return for Bargnani’s burdensome contract. In fact, you have to wonder how the Draft pick isn’t going in the other direction" (http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/0...-for-bargnani/).

            Your feeble attempts to rewrite the historical narrative are failing.
            so what, he found an idiot to take Bargnani, just like how Embry found an idiot to take Jalen Rose, Colangelo found an idiot to take Turkoglu, etc..., it's easy to say yes to a trade like that when it is offered.

            the Rudy trade actually backfired, and you are giving him credit for it? What GM looking to tank wouldn't accept an offer like that?

            It's just the media trying to make him look good.

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            • #21
              slaw wrote: View Post
              You have no possible way of knowing any of this. And, wait, if he was in a position to make a big decision and didn't pull the trigger that is still a big decision right? Saying no is sometimes a bigger gamble than saying yes.

              The second part is just absurd. Even if you think re-signing Lowry, trading Gay, trading Bargnani, trading for Lou Williams, re-signing Patterson and Vazquez were all 'no-brainer moves', Ujiri still had to put himself in a position to extract maximum value in all those scenarios, which he seems to have accomplished. There is skill in that if nothing else.
              It's like giving Presti credit for drafting Durant when he fell to his lap.

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              • #22
                peanutwoozle wrote: View Post
                so what, he found an idiot to take Bargnani, just like how Embry found an idiot to take Jalen Rose, Colangelo found an idiot to take Turkoglu, etc..., it's easy to say yes to a trade like that when it is offered.

                the Rudy trade actually backfired, and you are giving him credit for it? What GM looking to tank wouldn't accept an offer like that?

                It's just the media trying to make him look good.
                That avatar is actually you, isn't it.
                "We're playing in a building." -- Kawhi Leonard

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                • #23
                  Wtf is going on???? Hating on Masai???? Where are we goin ???????

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                  • #24
                    charlesnba23 wrote: View Post
                    Wtf is going on???? Hating on Masai???? Where are we goin ???????
                    Peanutwoozle has lost his mind
                    "Both teams played hard my man" - Sheed

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                    • #25
                      raptorredy wrote: View Post
                      a core piece should be traded this summer for a shakeup.
                      Other than maybe TR I disagree. We will have plenty of cap space and a new coach may be all that is required. Our main guys are still young. I think letting Amir go and targeting a 4 in free agency is the way to go.

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                      • #26
                        psrs1 wrote: View Post
                        Other than maybe TR I disagree. We will have plenty of cap space and a new coach may be all that is required. Our main guys are still young. I think letting Amir go and targeting a 4 in free agency is the way to go.
                        .... a backup centre who will be used and a SF who is actually a SF (size/length) would be desirable as well.

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                        • #27
                          Our GM needs to re-evaluate Dwane Casey's brain, oh wait he doesn't have one

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                          • #28
                            All that's needed is someone to rebound , a guard that can stand in front of a defender and a new coach that has a completely different view of defence..

                            As said earlier this is MU's summer.
                            I will withhold my #fireMU until its settled.
                            If Casey remains the coach then it's over , he's a complete moron who got lucky , that's all
                            2006-07 NBA Coach of the Year

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                            • #29
                              peanutwoozle wrote: View Post
                              because he hasn't proven that he can make a big decision yet.

                              the same argument we used with BC eh? how exactly did that work out.

                              and by the way, the moves he made were no-brainers.
                              You're ridiculous. The moves he made might have been "no-brainers" but the returns he got we're incredible.

                              Bargnani yielded draft picks, who in their right mind would give a draft pick for Bargnani???

                              Rudy yielded our bench, 3 guys are still valuable members of the team.

                              John Salmons from the Rudy trade was turned into a #16 overall draft pick in Bebe AND the current 6th man of the year. John Salmons is no longer in the league.

                              How are the results of those trades no brainers? Now Ujiri has to set his task on improving the starting line up. M

                              Not to mention while pulling off all of those trades he's maintained incredible cap flexibility considering the mess we were in before.
                              Sunny ways my friends, sunny ways
                              Because its 2015

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                              • #30
                                Peanutwoozle is going too far by saying we should fire Ujiri. But Masai has been a sacred cow in Raptorland for two years and at this point he shouldn't get a free pass anymore.

                                This summer is really the last chance for Masai to show us his vision for the team. Because so far it feels like he's making it up as he goes along. Tactics can only get you so far; you need a strategy.

                                Are we going to try to add another core piece? Are we going to trade a core piece to do so? Are we going to tinker with depth again? Are we just going to roll with BC's core some more?

                                All this re-branding isn't going to mean shit if we don't back it up with winning. If we lose this round, there is a very real chance that we have done major damage to our 2016 free agent goals. While recency bias will play a big role, I doubt Kevin Durant (or anyone else) is going to risk his prime years on a team with one (if we're lucky) deep playoff run.

                                And if we can't acquire a legit first option, and we're not grooming Val to be one, then we'll probably end up being a treadmill team.

                                Masai has earned enough goodwill to make his moves this summer. Let's hold off on the firing talk till after then... But let's also not pretend that Masai has been infallible, or that his hands were tied on the decisions he's made to date. He came in with a completely blank slate and could have justified any decision he made. Yet he chose continuity.

                                The real question about this summer should be whether changing the coach alone is enough, or whether this roster needs a fundamental restructuring.

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