Rumour: Dwane Casey & James Johnson Did Have Another Falling Out

[Nilanka]

HoopsHypeCanada is complete made up garbage.

Besides, can anyone tell me about the last time a disgruntled role player who gets less than 10 mpg "called out a coach" in the locker room, derailed an entire team + coaching staff, and continued to see occasional floor time through the rest of the year and even in the playoffs.

This is complete nonsense.

I dunno, it actually seems believable to me. JJ called out this very same coach during his 1st stint here. I don't think it's far-fetched to think he'd do it again.

[S.R.]

HoopsHypeCanada is complete made up garbage.

Besides, can anyone tell me about the last time a disgruntled role player who gets less than 10 mpg "called out a coach" in the locker room, derailed an entire team + coaching staff, and continued to see occasional floor time through the rest of the year and even in the playoffs.

This is complete nonsense.

[Mediumcore]

I dunno how reliable this is. If JJ did call Casey out for a double standard then the players themselves would have issues with each other, but on court they all seemed to be genuinely pulling for each other.

I would place more stock in Casey's comments regarding DD's injury changing the mentality of the team being more offensively geared than formerly defensively geared. Once he got back they weren't able to switch back to having a defense first mentality.

[Not Too Xabi]

Johnson right yet again.

[tDotted]

No it doesn't, the stat literally says 'player efficiency rating', not 'player rating'. It means favors is more efficient than those other two. That's it.

Thank you.

[Nilanka]

If it IS true then you have a seriously good point. If JJ did cause a disturbance then it was a f*&**$ catastrophic one - and it changed a legit contender into the crap we see on the floor today.

All the critisism on Casey pre-all star break didn't mean sh!t. We were a legit contender, easily a team on the rise and no one could discount our chemistry. All the critisism didn't matter because whatever Casey was doing, IT WAS WORKING.

hmmmm Ive been trying to figure it out and maybe thats what caused our turn-around. Im a fan of JJ but f*#% him if it's true. Show him the door if its true.

Regardless of the credibility of the rumour, are we really going to blame JJ for (allegedly) saying the obvious? Had Casey actually listened to JJ, we might have a different outcome this season. We've been talking about a stale playbook and a lack of accountability for eons.

And if our "chemistry" was as fragile as you're making it out to be, then reality was going to catch up with us at some point anyway.

"Nobody say anything negative. We might start losing...."

"When you pound the rock, do it gently. We don't wanna hurt the rock's feelings"

[hotfuzz]

"deasn't mean he's a better player"...but wait, the stats say he is!! lol

dude you bring up stats to try to prove your point. Then when i show a stat thats true but doesn't mean jack on the court... all of a sudden stats aren't important to you?! exactly. SMH

No it doesn't, the stat literally says 'player efficiency rating', not 'player rating'. It means favors is more efficient than those other two. That's it.

[distorsun]

You could see that from the outside. There wasn't any doubts.
Whether it happened exactly like that ; we don't know.
But Casey was so blatant with his favoritism that probably a lot of players SAW it but kept their mouth shut;
JJ might have been the only one who said what everybody else was thinking and he got benched for that.
Tor bball community is not dumb, they can see what JJ brought to the team and it didn'T made sense that he was keep getting DNPs.
Casey is not only incompetent, but he's also petty. And that's gonna cost him his job.

This is what happens when coaches play favs and hold guys to different standards.


Where have we heard this complaint before? Hmmmmmmmmmm.

[Axel]

IF this happened, would love to know exactly how the players in the locker room sided.

And while the source is highly suspect, it certainly makes sense; so is the source making things up that fit the narrative or is it real? We need JJ to answer that likely.

Also, to the people asking, why it only leaked now; with the season on-going, I can see these guys keeping things shush and keep being pros. Now that the season is done, all bets are off. Also, wouldn't be shocked if Masai had basically told any unhappy player to keep quiet cause if Casey fails, he's gone.

[OldSchool]

I watch the games... and if Favors has a higher PER it just means he's more efficient overall. Doesn't mean he's a better player. What are you trying to say?

"deasn't mean he's a better player"...but wait, the stats say he is!! lol

dude you bring up stats to try to prove your point. Then when i show a stat thats true but doesn't mean jack on the court... all of a sudden stats aren't important to you?! exactly. SMH

[Bonus Jonas]

No weight in HHC's account

[2KJ]

Remember that James Johnson-Jeff Teague all star campaign on ig? Something must have really happened in the locker room that's not being shown on open gym. Well, at least it's still not as bad as Indiana's self-destruction last year imo.

[tDotted]

How about put the paper away for later and just watch the games lol.

On paper Derrick Favours has a higher PER than both Marc Gasol and Kyrie Irving. Thats a stat too don't you know

I watch the games... and if Favors has a higher PER it just means he's more efficient overall. Doesn't mean he's a better player. What are you trying to say?

[OldSchool]

We were barely contenders going into 2015 lol.

Well... what other stat do you wanna use?

How about put the paper away for later and just watch the games lol.

On paper Derrick Favours has a higher PER than both Marc Gasol and Kyrie Irving. Thats a stat too don't you know

[jerome]

After that Dec-Jan west coast trip, when we lost by 20 points for the first time in a year, and also lost 3 consecutive games for the first time in a year, that was the turning point when jerome started to witness a different team. We lost our ability to dig deep and over come deficits, we weren't able to hold on to leads against weaker teams, and we started to play iso-heavy offense for much longer stretches in games. So if anything happened to our team chemistry, that was when it all happened.

Meanwhile, JJ lost his playing time sometime in Feb/March, so by the law of causality, JJ does not seem to be the reason of lost chemistry. Actually it seems to be the other way around, we lost our chemistry, and the coach decided to bench JJ to bring it back but to no avail.

But why the coach made the JJ benching decision 2 months after we lost our mojo is beyond reasoning, given the available information.