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  • The curious case of James Johnson

    Can anyone explain it from a pure basketball standpoint?
    What is the logic behind not playing him when he is the best defender on the team by far, and works best in Casey's garbage system.

    Provide stats / clips if possible , thanks
    2006-07 NBA Coach of the Year

  • #2
    Check the Hoops Hype Canada tweets.

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    • #3
      SamMitchells wrote: View Post
      Can anyone explain it from a pure basketball standpoint?
      No, I don't think anyone can.

      While JJ can't stretch the floor on offence, the other things he does well warranted minutes. Bad coaching is only explanation.
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      • #4
        Apparently it's the need for scramble unit mobility that keeps JV off the floor and the need for offensive spacing that keeps JJ off the floor. KL/DD/Ross/PP/Amir (or GV/LW at guard) gives them the mobility and spacing they like.

        Good thing that nice spacing produced horrible FG%'s and low AST #'s. And the mobile defense produced a bottom 1/3 DRTG.

        But hey, if it ain't broke don't fix it.

        A quick Google pulled this up, but I know I've seen a few more comments through the season:

        http://www.thestar.com/sports/raptor...r-raptors.html
        "We're playing in a building." -- Kawhi Leonard

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        • #5
          Nilanka wrote: View Post
          Check the Hoops Hype Canada tweets.
          Hahahaha - can I like this 6 more times? Raptors source says this comment is fantastic.
          "We're playing in a building." -- Kawhi Leonard

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          • #6
            Axel wrote: View Post
            No, I don't think anyone can.

            While JJ can't stretch the floor on offence, the other things he does well warranted minutes. Bad coaching is only explanation.
            Especially since nobody on this roster, save for Patterson, is capable of stretching the floor. I wouldn't trust any of Ross, Lowry, Lou or Vasquez with an open look from deep.

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            • #7
              Nilanka wrote: View Post
              Especially since nobody on this roster, save for Patterson, is capable of stretching the floor. I wouldn't trust any of Ross, Lowry, Lou or Vasquez with an open look from deep.
              And how much can your 2-guards spread the floor? Their defender is already tasked with standing on the perimeter.

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              • #8
                I'm not convinced..
                When James Johnson plays he's the most useful player on the court both on offence and defence. Remember when he went off like 3 20 point games in a row or something? When we destroyed the Clippers after they got demolished by CLEVLAND on TNT?
                He's so fricken good, IMO the best player on the team. I love that drive / post up move which usually results in a bucket or a foul.
                He's great on defence too, gets so many passing lane steals and shot blocks, great rebounder and can defend any position.
                He's like the best overall player on the team. I don't think floor spacing matters that much tbh. But I have no stats to prove that. I just assume he's good enough to work with Patterson / JV....
                2006-07 NBA Coach of the Year

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                • #9
                  Like why don't they Re watch the clipper game and just copy those lineups lol, the spacing seemed to work well then, what happened? The court got smaller ?
                  2006-07 NBA Coach of the Year

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                  • #10
                    There are drawbacks to playing Johnson, and giving him burn wouldn't have won us the series given

                    1) Lowry sub par performance
                    2) Otto Porter Jr. giving Derozan problems
                    3) Neither JV nor Ross making a big leap (unlike Beal and Porter, who both stepped up).

                    But the reasons for not playing him don't really make sense in the context of what happened on court. Defense and rebounding was terrible.
                    "They're going to have to rename the whole conference after us: Toronto Raptors 2014-2015 Northern Conference Champions" ~ ezzbee Dec. 2014

                    "I guess I got a little carried away there" ~ ezzbee Apr. 2015

                    "We only have one rule on this team. What is that rule? E.L.E. That's right's, E.L.E, and what does E.L.E. stand for? EVERYBODY LOVE EVERYBODY. Right there up on the wall, because this isn't just a basketball team, this is a lifestyle. ~ Jackie Moon

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                    • #11
                      SamMitchells wrote: View Post
                      I'm not convinced..
                      When James Johnson plays he's the most useful player on the court both on offence and defence. Remember when he went off like 3 20 point games in a row or something? When we destroyed the Clippers after they got demolished by CLEVLAND on TNT?
                      He's so fricken good, IMO the best player on the team. I love that drive / post up move which usually results in a bucket or a foul.
                      He's great on defence too, gets so many passing lane steals and shot blocks, great rebounder and can defend any position.
                      He's like the best overall player on the team. I don't think floor spacing matters that much tbh. But I have no stats to prove that. I just assume he's good enough to work with Patterson / JV....
                      He also has a very solid post game that they never use.

                      I hate this unquestioned thought that good spacing depends on having as many three point shooters on the floor as possible. You know what a good offense depends on? Have a good personnel in a good system.

                      The #1 ppg team this year was GSW - usually had 4 shooters and a C on the floor, probably the final evolution of some D'Antoni offensive principles with great spacing and whole-team-ball-movement. The #2 ppg team this year was completely different - LAC had a very traditional #1-5 lineup with a #5 who can't shoot, a #4 who doesn't have 3 point range, the bigs finishing lots of PnR's, a SG who shoots, a SF who's the 3 & D specialist, a PG who facilitates (and takes over when needed), and a microwave 6th man - almost a textbook traditional team makeup.

                      Those teams are built completely differently, each to suit the strengths of their personnel, and both were very, very effective offensive teams this year.

                      Given their personnel, the Raptors should have been emulating the Clippers instead of the Warriors.
                      "We're playing in a building." -- Kawhi Leonard

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                      • #12
                        ezz_bee wrote: View Post
                        There are drawbacks to playing Johnson, and giving him burn wouldn't have won us the series given

                        1) Lowry sub par performance
                        2) Otto Porter Jr. giving Derozan problems
                        3) Neither JV nor Ross making a big leap (unlike Beal and Porter, who both stepped up).

                        But the reasons for not playing him don't really make sense in the context of what happened on court. Defense and rebounding was terrible.
                        Sad thing is, we have some decent rebounders. Both Lowry and DD have proven that they can rebound from the back-court.

                        Reg Season
                                                            
                        Player MP ORB DRB TRB
                        DeMar DeRozan 35.0 0.7 3.9 4.6
                        Kyle Lowry 34.5 0.8 3.9 4.7
                        Patrick Patterson 26.6 1.6 3.8 5.3
                        Amir Johnson 26.4 2.1 4.0 6.1
                        Jonas Valanciunas 26.2 2.7 6.0 8.7
                        Terrence Ross 25.5 0.4 2.4 2.8
                        Lou Williams 25.2 0.3 1.6 1.9
                        Greivis Vasquez 24.3 0.3 2.4 2.6
                        James Johnson 19.6 0.9 2.8 3.7
                        Tyler Hansbrough 14.3 1.4 2.1 3.6
                        Chuck Hayes 8.8 0.6 1.1 1.8
                        Landry Fields 8.3 0.4 0.6 1.0
                        Greg Stiemsma 3.9 0.5 0.4 0.9
                        Lucas Nogueira 3.8 0.3 1.5 1.8
                        Bruno Caboclo 2.9 0.1 0.1 0.3


                        Playoffs
                                                            
                        Player MP ORB DRB TRB
                        DeMar DeRozan 39.8 1.3 5.0 6.3
                        Kyle Lowry 32.8 1.8 3.8 5.5
                        Amir Johnson 28.0 1.8 5.3 7.0
                        Terrence Ross 26.8 0.0 1.5 1.5
                        Jonas Valanciunas 26.5 2.3 7.0 9.3
                        Patrick Patterson 26.5 1.0 2.5 3.5
                        Lou Williams 25.5 0.5 1.3 1.8
                        Greivis Vasquez 25.3 0.0 1.8 1.8
                        Tyler Hansbrough 12.0 0.3 1.3 1.5
                        James Johnson 6.0 0.0 1.0 1.0


                        Bolded players were below reg season average in rebounds. Our problem was that we missed so many shots, that the number of rebounding opportunities was well higher than normal.
                        Heir, Prince of Cambridge

                        If you see KeonClark in the wasteland, please share your food and water with him.

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                        • #13
                          S.R. wrote: View Post
                          ...Those teams are built completely differently, each to suit the strengths of their personnel, and both were very, very effective offensive teams this year.

                          Given their personnel, the Raptors should have been emulating the Clippers instead of the Warriors.
                          THIS. My (and most others) point the whole year. Casey is driving round pegs into square holes by forcing a bunch of good players into offensive and defensive systems that they can't excel in.

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                          • #14
                            S.R. wrote: View Post

                            Given their personnel, the Raptors should have been emulating the Clippers instead of the Warriors.
                            Yeah but instea we play Lou Lowry and Vasquez at the same time.

                            It seems to be a pure coaching deficiency.
                            2006-07 NBA Coach of the Year

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                            • #15
                              SamMitchells wrote: View Post
                              Yeah but instea we play Lou Lowry and Vasquez at the same time.

                              It seems to be a pure coaching deficiency.
                              On top of all of the lazy awful play, I think that line-up was my biggest peeve in this series.
                              Heir, Prince of Cambridge

                              If you see KeonClark in the wasteland, please share your food and water with him.

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