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    I was looking around at something else when I stumbled upon this article from last year on Grantland a few weeks after Rudy Gay trade.


    Toronto has scored 105.8 points per 100 possessions since dealing Gay, nearly five points better than it managed with a Rudy-centric offense.2 Toronto is flinging the ball from side to side, one pick-and-roll bleeding into the next on the opposite wing, bending opposing defenses until an opening emerges. The Raptors are passing the ball 30 more times per game since the trade, per SportVU data provided to Grantland, and shooting about three more 3-pointers



    Like what happened? Seriously?

    Did Casey have a lobotomy?
    Was he hypnotized by opposing coaches?
    Has he been led astray by front office?


    Casey meant to disrespect to Rudy but he then proceeded to change DeRozan, Ross, Lowry, Vasquez, and Williams in to Rudy clones.


    I don't know if the change in offensive approach or the decline in defense is the most frustrating part of the last year.


    For all this talk of continuity and building a program, how the hell can you use that as an excuse for keeping Casey when he says:

    So 4 years in and we need to go back to the drawing board?

    Ugh.


    As I said, initially, WTF happened?

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    mcHAPPY wrote: View Post
    I was looking around at something else when I stumbled upon this article from last year on Grantland a few weeks after Rudy Gay trade.





    Like what happened? Seriously?

    Did Casey have a lobotomy?
    Was he hypnotized by opposing coaches?
    Has he been led astray by front office?


    Casey meant to disrespect to Rudy but he then proceeded to change DeRozan, Ross, Lowry, Vasquez, and Williams in to Rudy clones.


    I don't know if the change in offensive approach or the decline in defense is the most frustrating part of the last year.


    For all this talk of continuity and building a program, how the hell can you use that as an excuse for keeping Casey when he says:



    So 4 years in and we need to go back to the drawing board?

    Ugh.


    As I said, initially, WTF happened?
    The players were playing without a "system" being instituted.

    Stuff like this is further proof that the actual issue most likely WASN'T Rudy but Casey.
    "My biggest concern as a coach is to not confuse winning with progress." - Steve Kerr
    "If it's unacceptable in defeat, it's unacceptable in victory." - Jeff Van Gundy

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    • #3
      we need to resign rudy gay.. oh wait. i meant demar. oh wait. i meant wiggins. oh wait. let's go for steve nash....

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      • #4
        Good thing we kept Casey for continuity sake.
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        • #5
          mcHAPPY wrote: View Post
          I was looking around at something else when I stumbled upon this article from last year on Grantland a few weeks after Rudy Gay trade.



          Like what happened? Seriously?

          Did Casey have a lobotomy?
          Was he hypnotized by opposing coaches?
          Has he been led astray by front office?


          Casey meant to disrespect to Rudy but he then proceeded to change DeRozan, Ross, Lowry, Vasquez, and Williams in to Rudy clones.


          I don't know if the change in offensive approach or the decline in defense is the most frustrating part of the last year.


          For all this talk of continuity and building a program, how the hell can you use that as an excuse for keeping Casey when he says:



          So 4 years in and we need to go back to the drawing board?

          Ugh.


          As I said, initially, WTF happened?
          post trade, guys didn't know the 'system', they were just playing basketball. believe it or not, these guys actually do know how the game should be played. Now, with a full training camp and season with Casey and this roster, we see CASEYBALL. POUND THE ROCK.

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          • #6
            I remember Casey saying that he wanted to minimize turnovers, which might have caused a decrease in ball movement. Also, during the time after the Rudy Gay trade the team didn't have an established "guy" that they could really go to. Once DD and Lowry started getting attention for All Star type play, things began to change.

            On top of this the team acquired Lou Williams. Then the guards starting thinking "If Lou can do, I can too!!!"

            *clank*
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            • #7
              That was a good....correction, depressing find...which has been obviously brought up in the thousand post mortem posts so far. Since we are going to play the eeny, meany, miney game again, I would go for a combination of a couple of our aces feeling a little put out (after the initial exhilaration of the team/passing game) to go solo/iso because their stats weren't looking so good ....and we-have-to-ask Weltman again about his seeming agreement that (and I paraphrase) that the iso game has proven to be more successful in the playoffs.

              I would by inference not absolve Masai here who would obviously be in the loop/agreement with Weltman but claim plausible deniability that this was a group (top to bottom meeting of minds). Of course we shall never know the real reason until at least a departed and disgruntled player/employee reveals the mystery. In the meantime #FireCasey.

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              • #8
                Bendit wrote: View Post
                That was a good....correction, depressing find...which has been obviously brought up in the thousand post mortem posts so far. Since we are going to play the eeny, meany, miney game again, I would go for a combination of a couple of our aces feeling a little put out (after the initial exhilaration of the team/passing game) to go solo/iso because their stats weren't looking so good ....and we-have-to-ask Weltman again about his seeming agreement that (and I paraphrase) that the iso game has proven to be more successful in the playoffs.

                I would by inference not absolve Masai here who would obviously be in the loop/agreement with Weltman but claim plausible deniability that this was a group (top to bottom meeting of minds). Of course we shall never know the real reason until at least a departed and disgruntled player/employee reveals the mystery. In the meantime #FireCasey.
                Weltman had previous stints with the Bucks & Nuggets and learned his craft for the longest time in the sad sack era Clippers organization. Not exactly a stellar resume, in terms of being influenced by the culture of winning organizations.

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                • #9
                  golden wrote: View Post
                  Weltman had previous stints with the Bucks & Nuggets and learned his craft for the longest time in the sad sack era Clippers organization. Not exactly a stellar resume, in terms of being influenced by the culture of winning organizations.
                  Hammond was stained with that same brush in Milwaukee.

                  New ownership and suddenly the franchise has a different outlook allowing him to do different things.

                  I think the importance of ownership is illustrated with what is happening in Milwaukee.

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                  • #10
                    Lou williams came in, made shots, won us some games, then the whole team wanted to be Lou because it looked like the way to go.
                    Not blaming him specifically that's the way he always played, problem is the whole team started emulating him & Forgot who they were the year before.
                    Plus being in a Division with 2 openly tanking teams, & 2 overpriced teams who actually had a worst record then the tankers, falsely inflated their egos.

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                    • #11
                      Dino4life wrote: View Post
                      Lou williams came in, made shots, won us some games, then the whole team wanted to be Lou because it looked like the way to go.
                      Not blaming him specifically that's the way he always played, problem is the whole team started emulating him & Forgot who they were the year before.
                      Plus being in a Division with 2 openly tanking teams, & 2 overpriced teams who actually had a worst record then the tankers, falsely inflated their egos.
                      I agree.

                      I think Lou had an especially terrible effect on Vasquez.
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                      • #12
                        Scouting happened.

                        You can beat bad teams even after being scouted, which we did, but good teams make adjustments. Especially when they see you four straight games.

                        It's like Tyson said, everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face. Yes we had bad habits that were reinforced through differing levels of accountability (hell or high water), but we reverted to those bad habits because got punched in the face and had no counter.

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                        • #13
                          JimiCliff wrote: View Post
                          I agree.

                          I think Lou had an especially terrible effect on Vasquez.
                          Vasquez pulled plenty of YOLO shit in 2014 too. People just remember it less because he got hot at the end.

                          Besides, not sure how we can totally blame Lou when Casey gave him 100% carte blanche to do whatever he wanted. The guy is an expiring and in a contract year, meaning he's not necessarily a part of our future and he's also looking to get his. But instead of reining in his worst habits, we encouraged them.

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                          • #14
                            Scraptor wrote: View Post
                            Scouting happened.

                            You can beat bad teams even after being scouted, which we did, but good teams make adjustments. Especially when they see you four straight games.

                            It's like Tyson said, everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face. Yes we had bad habits that were reinforced through differing levels of accountability (hell or high water), but we reverted to those bad habits because got punched in the face and had no counter.
                            that doesn't explain why we switched from good basketball to pure iso jumpshits for this entire season. Remember the "Offense is flawed" thread back in the early season?

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                            • #15
                              Scraptor wrote: View Post
                              Scouting happened.

                              You can beat bad teams even after being scouted, which we did, but good teams make adjustments. Especially when they see you four straight games.

                              It's like Tyson said, everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face. Yes we had bad habits that were reinforced through differing levels of accountability (hell or high water), but we reverted to those bad habits because got punched in the face and had no counter.
                              That explains the defense very well.

                              I don't think it explains the offense.

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