What will be MU's next move?

[white men can't jump]

Well some of i I come up with from having lived through it.

Look at the before and after picture of EVERY Superstar professional athlete, in EVERY SPORT and tell me what the common denominator is for differences in the two photos.

Go ahead and tell me it isn't physique so i can laugh a little harder.

Laugh all you want, but you clearly have no clue what you're talking about. And that's obvious when you try to liken your experiences to that of professional athletes.

How many athletes in a sport have tried to get stronger only to see themselves lose some speed and/or explosiveness? And how many have leaned up their upper body in order to improve those same things?

It's simple physics. If you gain too much upper body weight, even it's 100% muscle, your legs have to accomplish far more work to get the same tasks done. Get a clue.

[Just Is]

Well some of i I come up with from having lived through it.

Look at the before and after picture of EVERY Superstar professional athlete, in EVERY SPORT and tell me what the common denominator is for differences in the two photos.

Go ahead and tell me it isn't physique so i can laugh a little harder.

There's a world of difference between growing into a frame and tacking on mass.

[Uncle_Si]

Oh stop.
Not one young man on the planet who is skinny and undeveloped ever "slowed down" when they got fit and put on some muscle density. What a crock. Its painful to read stuff like this. If anything the added physical size and strength would make him faster.

If JV put on 50 lbs of fat, or became muscle bound to the point of losing muscular flexibility then there is an issue. But saying he has put on weight, and it is slowing him down is preposterous if all he has done is added some MUCH NEEDED muscle mass.

You guys man..... honestly.

So if Usain bolt put on 30lbs of "muscle density" he'd be faster than he is now?

The point is the raptors didn't care about slowing JV down with size because they wanted him to be a beast in the paint, which he is. The problem is now he can't run because of the added weight. It doesn't matter if it's fat or muscle. Weight is weight and if your body isn't used to carrying around extra weight you lose athleticism (quickness, speed, vertical jump).

[JimiCliff]

UH! Actually you missed the point of the article. Post play is important and shouldn't be neglected when you can get a defence to switch and you can get a smaller guard on a bigger forward. But he's talking about bigger PGs, SGs and SFs that can take advantage of smaller players guarding bigger guys. That was the whole point about Wes Matthews where he says he loves when PGs switch on him and he just backs them into the post.

Yeah they system might be designed to for JV to fail, but the point is the whole league is going in the direction of that system. Switch everything, and have guys that can defend multiple positions. JV can't do that.


To Planetmars:

Cavs have Lebron, Mosgov doesn't play the size of role JV is expected to play. Bogut is considered an elite defender, JV is not that. JV is better offensively than Bogut but defensively Bogut is much better.

Howard is slow? Really?

Lowe makes it pretty clear that you want to have post scoring no matter where it comes from.

As for defences: if that's really the direction the league's going, JV isn't going to get anywhere near a max contract. Again - absolutely no reason to ditch him yet.

[thead]

i read somewhere that it would be a near physical impossibility to build a human body faster than Usain Bolt

[Mess]

Lowe makes it pretty clear that you want to have post scoring no matter where it comes from.

As for defences: if that's really the direction the league's going, JV isn't going to get anywhere near a max contract. Again - absolutely no reason to ditch him yet.

I was going to make that same point, but watch Greg Munroe, Draymond and DeAndre all get max contracts. JV's agent will be licking his chops.

[JimiCliff]

Yeah they system might be designed to for JV to fail, but the point is the whole league is going in the direction of that system. Switch everything, and have guys that can defend multiple positions. JV can't do that.

Very few teams even attempt this, and when they do, it's often for short periods of time or against specific match-ups. Premature to say that this is where defence is going.

[white men can't jump]

Very few teams even attempt this, and when they do, it's often for short periods of time or against specific match-ups. Premature to say that this is where defence is going.

I think it's important to note there are serious flaws in the type of "copycat" trends that happen in the league. And it usually comes down to, and perhaps I'm being overly simplistic, but basically can you beat the team(s) that started the trend at their own game? The answer is usually "no".

[JimiCliff]

I think it's important to note there are serious flaws in the type of "copycat" trends that happen in the league. And it usually comes down to, and perhaps I'm being overly simplistic, but basically can you beat the team(s) that started the trend at their own game? The answer is usually "no".

Most often, teams that start the trends also feature the very best players in the league. Funny coincidence there...

[Uncle_Si]

Lowe makes it pretty clear that you want to have post scoring no matter where it comes from.

As for defences: if that's really the direction the league's going, JV isn't going to get anywhere near a max contract. Again - absolutely no reason to ditch him yet.

I don't want to "ditch" JV. But he clearly isn't going to be a franchise player and the trajectory of the league has been to players that can space the floor and guard multiple positions. Dominant post players just aren't a necessary piece of a championship team anymore. So my thinking is, if a strong offer comes in for JV that could yield high draft picks that it would be worth it.

[Uncle_Si]

Very few teams even attempt this, and when they do, it's often for short periods of time or against specific match-ups. Premature to say that this is where defence is going.

Which is why I said the league is going in that direction. I agree that it might be premature now, but you don't want to be the last one on board, the sooner you set your team up for success the better. It's a risk, but one that I think it could be worth taking.

Of course I'm just some guy on the internet that likes basketball

[Chr1s1anL]

Very few teams even attempt this, and when they do, it's often for short periods of time or against specific match-ups. Premature to say that this is where defence is going.

The teams in the conference finals all play like that the majority of the time.

[JimiCliff]

Which is why I said the league is going in that direction. I agree that it might be premature now, but you don't want to be the last one on board, the sooner you set your team up for success the better. It's a risk, but one that I think it could be worth taking.

Of course I'm just some guy on the internet that likes basketball

Lol, aren't we all

[white men can't jump]

Which is why I said the league is going in that direction. I agree that it might be premature now, but you don't want to be the last one on board, the sooner you set your team up for success the better. It's a risk, but one that I think it could be worth taking.

Of course I'm just some guy on the internet that likes basketball

I don't know, I still think it's better to try and yin when everyone else is trying to yang. You could dump your "slow" big man, and try to build a fast team, only to find out that you can't get a top tier talent to carry that style, or a well-rounded enough roster to beat the template.

Again, this kind of "copycat" trend is nothing new. It's always happening in the league. Teams either trying to copy another team, or find the next Jordan/Shaq or whoever.

Look at these playoffs. Who has given GSW the most trouble? The team that plays the most different style of ball than them. When Memphis could control the pace/style, GSW couldn't beat them. Now look at GSW's current opponent. Is Houston the team that resembles them the most? They're definitely up there with how they like to run and get up 3s...And they look pretty far from being as good as GSW. They have a really hard time beating them at their own game, and that's pretty much their only option.

[JimiCliff]

I don't know, I still think it's better to try and yin when everyone else is trying to yang. You could dump your "slow" big man, and try to build a fast team, only to find out that you can't get a top tier talent to carry that style, or a well-rounded enough roster to beat the template.

Again, this kind of "copycat" trend is nothing new. It's always happening in the league. Teams either trying to copy another team, or find the next Jordan/Shaq or whoever.

Look at these playoffs. Who has given GSW the most trouble? The team that plays the most different style of ball than them. When Memphis could control the pace/style, GSW couldn't beat them. Now look at GSW's current opponent. Is Houston the team that resembles them the most? They're definitely up there with how they like to run and get up 3s...And they look pretty far from being as good as GSW. They have a really hard time beating them at their own game, and that's pretty much their only option.

Excellent point.