Why????

[Axel]

It's a Toronto sports fans disease.

How do you cure it? WIN. Raptors fanbase though are so used to losing that even if they're winning games they still want to lose and tank and rebuild.

People do realize that not all Raptors fans live in Toronto or are Leafs fans? So how exactly does the Leafs fans mentality spread out across the country?

[jacobdr4]

People do realize that not all Raptors fans live in Toronto or are Leafs fans? So how exactly does the Leafs fans mentality spread out across the country?

Exactly, I'm in no way a leafs fan but I do believe the best way for this team to avoid the treadmill is to build through the draft. If you can't attract free agent talent like other teams it's the next logical way to become a championship contender.

[Profster]

Its the Maple Laugh Mentality....it goes from Go-Leafs-Go to Golf-Leafs-Golf to Go-Raps-Go to Golf-Raps-Golf

[Axel]

Its the Maple Laugh Mentality....it goes from Go-Leafs-Go to Golf-Leafs-Golf to Go-Raps-Go to Golf-Raps-Golf

But since I've never watched a Leafs game (unless they are playing my fav team) then that doesn't make sense.

[Mess]

But since I've never watched a Leafs game (unless they are playing my fav team) then that doesn't make sense.

Probably through some kind of subconscious osmosis while watching Sportscentre waiting to see basketball highlights and seeing mostly hockey talk.

[Mindlessness]

lmfao half those centers are better

lol

[Axel]

Probably through some kind of subconscious osmosis while watching Sportscentre waiting to see basketball highlights and seeing mostly hockey talk.

Don't watch Sportscenter either, largely because of the amount of hockey coverage.

[Mr.Z]

JV can do no wrong around here. Anytime someone points out the obvious, posters pull out a bunch of advanced stats showing why he's a superstar in the making.

No one says anything about him being 34th in blocks per game.....behind such awesome players as Ed Davis (#31), Steven Adams (#29), Alex Len (#20), Mozgov (#33)....Drummond was 8th.

He's 26th in total blocks behind those same players (Drummond was 5th).....except Steven Adams (#30).

The problem I have with JV is that our guards couldn't keep anyone in front of them..... There were a lot of opportunities for him to have more blocks.

Somehow he gets a pass around here. He's the last line of defence and nobody was scared to drive to the rim against him. How many layups did you see get by him (he was always a split second too late). It's always everyone else's fault...The sad part is TRex is right. If he doesn't improve and fast.....Watch the fans turn on him within the next couple years.


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Whenever the guards let their man blow by them, it means JV is playing 2 on 1. He has his own man to guard so he has to make a decision, play the man with the ball which means his man is open under the basket, or stay on his man and give the guy with the ball a wide open shot in the lane.
You admit that the guards can't keep anyone in front of them but it's JV's fault for the other team scoring because he couldn't get the block in a 2 vs. 1? Hey I got a great idea, how about the guards take the blame for being horrible fucking perimeter defenders?

[KHD]

Whenever the guards let their man blow by them, it means JV is playing 2 on 1. He has his own man to guard so he has to make a decision, play the man with the ball which means his man is open under the basket, or stay on his man and give the guy with the ball a wide open shot in the lane.
You admit that the guards can't keep anyone in front of them but it's JV's fault for the other team scoring because he couldn't get the block in a 2 vs. 1? Hey I got a great idea, how about the guards take the blame for being horrible fucking perimeter defenders?

No no no, don't you understand the SCRAMBLE defence?

[white men can't jump]

Whenever the guards let their man blow by them, it means JV is playing 2 on 1. He has his own man to guard so he has to make a decision, play the man with the ball which means his man is open under the basket, or stay on his man and give the guy with the ball a wide open shot in the lane.
You admit that the guards can't keep anyone in front of them but it's JV's fault for the other team scoring because he couldn't get the block in a 2 vs. 1? Hey I got a great idea, how about the guards take the blame for being horrible fucking perimeter defenders?

Forget the 2 vs 1 angle. It's definitely important, but something else bugs me about the logic of "guys were blowing by so much JV should have more blocks"....

A blow by does not equal a block opportunity just because JV is left defending the rim. In fact, block opportunities are best created when an offensive player is forced into a lane that leads right into a shotblocker. If the offensive player is basically given whatever lane/angle he wants, it makes it much harder for the big man to defend the shot because the ballhandler has so many options. That is tied to good on-ball defence, which Toronto sorely lacks.

To put it simply, the less space/angles the big man has to cover, the more likely he is to get a block or alter the shot. The more he has to cover, the more difficult it is to anticipate the shot and alter it. This past year, in Toronto's D, it was primarily the latter happening.

[KHD]

Forget the 2 vs 1 angle. It's definitely important, but something else bugs me about the logic of "guys were blowing by so much JV should have more blocks"....

A blow by does not equal a block opportunity just because JV is left defending the rim. In fact, block opportunities are best created when an offensive player is forced into a lane that leads right into a shotblocker. If the offensive player is basically given whatever lane/angle he wants, it makes it much harder for the big man to defend the shot because the ballhandler has so many options. That is tied to good on-ball defence, which Toronto sorely lacks.

To put it simply, the less space/angles the big man has to cover, the more likely he is to get a block or alter the shot. The more he has to cover, the more difficult it is to anticipate the shot and alter it. This past year, in Toronto's D, it was primarily the latter happening.

Also, blocks aren't necessarily that indicative of anything. A good defender getting some blocked shots is just a byproduct. More useful statistics exist.

[OldSkoolCool]

Also, blocks aren't necessarily that indicative of anything. A good defender getting some blocked shots is just a byproduct. More useful statistics exist.

example: Drummond

[Frynoodle]

Some Raps Fans only has Camps on their eyes and aleays wanna Tank and Rebuild,
However, they forget rebuild and tank not guaranteed we will get the no.1 pick, and not guaranteed we will get the next LBJ or KD, or MJ even we got the no.1 pick.

Bosh (4th pick) + AB7 (1st pick)=2 playoff chances.
AB7 (1st pick) + DD (10th pick)= 0 playff chances
DD (10 pick) + JV (5th pick) = 2 playoff chances

Raptors never see shortage of picks in our short history, but camps team neeed a right manager, luck enough to get the high draw pick, pick the right players, hire the right coach, and coach and players do the right job.

as a fans, we can't change any factors above, for example, when we got JV, you said why don't we pick Drummond; when we pick Bosh, end up D wade is better.

so how could some people say we will get stronger after tank and rebuild? Are you the manger, boss, prophet or you tell me you are the Basketball god?

[Mr.Z]

Forget the 2 vs 1 angle. It's definitely important, but something else bugs me about the logic of "guys were blowing by so much JV should have more blocks"....

A blow by does not equal a block opportunity just because JV is left defending the rim. In fact, block opportunities are best created when an offensive player is forced into a lane that leads right into a shotblocker. If the offensive player is basically given whatever lane/angle he wants, it makes it much harder for the big man to defend the shot because the ballhandler has so many options. That is tied to good on-ball defence, which Toronto sorely lacks.

To put it simply, the less space/angles the big man has to cover, the more likely he is to get a block or alter the shot. The more he has to cover, the more difficult it is to anticipate the shot and alter it. This past year, in Toronto's D, it was primarily the latter happening.

And most of the time JV is left having to cover the entire inside of the arc lol mission impossible

[OldSkoolCool]

Some Raps Fans only has Camps on their eyes and aleays wanna Tank and Rebuild,
However, they forget rebuild and tank not guaranteed we will get the no.1 pick, and not guaranteed we will get the next LBJ or KD, or MJ even we got the no.1 pick.

Bosh (4th pick) + AB7 (1st pick)=2 playoff chances.
AB7 (1st pick) + DD (10th pick)= 0 playff chances
DD (10 pick) + JV (5th pick) = 2 playoff chances

Raptors never see shortage of picks in our short history, but camps team neeed a right manager, luck enough to get the high draw pick, pick the right players, hire the right coach, and coach and players do the right job.

as a fans, we can't change any factors above, for example, when we got JV, you said why don't we pick Drummond; when we pick Bosh, end up D wade is better.

so how could some people say we will get stronger after tank and rebuild? Are you the manger, boss, prophet or you tell me you are the Basketball god?

In all fairness, AB was awful so then we just have the DD/JV comp. And of those 3 years they were paired together they have made it twice.