Why can't we like DeMar AND JV?

[JWash]

Because they aren't 2 years apart in age as stated in the OP.

Ok dude, congratulations. Really hope this place isn't going to be like RealGM with a bunch of "know-it-alls" pretending to be just that.

[DanH]

It's a by-law in the RR posting guidelines. Have to drive discussion somehow.

[mcHAPPY]

What was the point of trying to "correct" me with this? He's 25 right now like I said.

Because they aren't 2 years apart in age as stated in the OP.

[JWash]

Demar is just a player that fits poorly on our team. Seems like an okay guy. I dislike him as a player because he just isn't that good.

I like JV on and off the court. This organization hasn't exactly done him many favours since he came over. If in a few more years (with new coaches, systems, teammates) he fails to improve, I'm thinking I'll be hoping our GM trades him for a better fit on the team, just like what I'm doing with Demar.

I'm sick of reading about "fit" when it comes to this team.

This team is currently not competing for anything other than being first round fodder. "Fit" does not matter. We need talent.

Not even saying that DeRozan needs to stay. But pointing to "fit" as the reason he needs to go makes little to no sense, when we don't even have core pieces in place (other than possibly JV).

[JWash]

Style of play and values on what is important in the game of basketball.


(Really good question though!)


*DD is 26 in August, JV just turned 23. DOB '89 vs '92

What was the point of trying to "correct" me with this? He's 25 right now like I said.

[OldSkoolCool]

Demar is just a player that fits poorly on our team. Seems like an okay guy. I dislike him as a player because he just isn't that good.

I like JV on and off the court. This organization hasn't exactly done him many favours since he came over. If in a few more years (with new coaches, systems, teammates) he fails to improve, I'm thinking I'll be hoping our GM trades him for a better fit on the team, just like what I'm doing with Demar.

+1

[Jangles]

Demar is just a player that fits poorly on our team. Seems like an okay guy. I dislike him as a player because he just isn't that good.

I like JV on and off the court. This organization hasn't exactly done him many favours since he came over. If in a few more years (with new coaches, systems, teammates) he fails to improve, I'm thinking I'll be hoping our GM trades him for a better fit on the team, just like what I'm doing with Demar.

[Mr.Z]

They aren't our children so we don't have to love them unconditionally.

[rocwell]

Exactly my reaction when i read this:

"I like both, but I really hate fadeaway mid-range jumpers fyi"

I don't think you like both lol. Just be real.

Bruh. For real. Y'all acting like small bitches when someone says some shit about your boy. I hate fadeaway mid-range jumpers... just like 90% of basketball coaches. So what? Does it really make me a fucking hater? And if you really want to know, I have enormous respect for DeRozan. Of course there are some things I hate about him, but he's everything you need from growing basketball player for now. I'm no pro-jv or pro-dd. I'm buying in this Raptors shit every single season cuz I'm pro-raptors and I love this team w/ JV & DD or w/o 'em.

[Mr.Z]

what the fuck is a stan?

Anyway the reason people seem to like either one or the other is really just a reflection of people's opinion/understanding of advanced metrics in basketball. People who "don't believe" in analytics don't think JV is that good because his raw numbers aren't spectacular, people who understand math and statistics see significant potential. By the same token people who look at the raw numbers see that Derozan scores 20 a game and don't look any further than that before anointing him some kind of star (somehow forgetting that mike fucking james scored 20/game for us), while people who look at more than PPG see the glaring problems of a shooting guard who just cannot shoot yet continues to do so.

I put "don't believe" in quotation marks because, like Axel said, these things aren't something you have to have faith in. It's just mathematics and statistics that are demonstrably better than raw numbers at predicting performance. I don't really understand the "anti-analytics" crowd, although i liken it to highschool where it was somehow "cool" to hate math.

I think my own opinions have been fairly clear on this forum regarding JV/Demar so I wont' say anything else.

JWash is a Stan, just for using it on this forum as an adjective. Clearly this guy loves Eminem lol

[The Great One]

omg.

Exactly my reaction when i read this:

"I like both, but I really hate fadeaway mid-range jumpers fyi"

I don't think you like both lol. Just be real.

[Uncle_Si]

That is a great question. I think more balanced and logical posters realize that DD is a young talent with amazing work ethics and love for the team and the city, who is stuck in an ISO ball system under Casey.
These fans would like to see him and assess him under a different style of play where ball moves and along a pass first PG.

Same group of fans also believe that J.V. is not as mechanical, hesitant and slow as he looked this year under Casey. They also believe that under right coaching, J.V. can develop a more fluid game and make better decision in offence and defence.

All that being said, the major problem is that the coach has been kept by MU. Now, the question is will we see a new brand of Basketball or even can KL be a pass first PG who does not stop the ball movement and force and ISO ball.

DeMar has said on several occasions he idolizes Kobe. He takes the same types of off balance ridiculous contested shots that Kobe does except Kobe can hit them. DeMar also said he prefers to take contested shots over wide open shots. Well he can't hit contested shots and actually shoots a bit better on uncontested shots.

Point is, it's the style of play DeMar likes that is the issue. That's tough to change especially when that's the style he's learned in the nba. Just look at the coaches he had during his developmental years we ruined DeMar. It's amazing he's turned out to be as good as he is and it's a testament to his work ethic. But, he has to go.

[rocwell]

omg.

[The Great One]

Btw, i'm not comparing DeRozan to Jordan so don't twist my words. The fact is, a lot of great players in the past and present ha the fadeaway and mid range j's in their arsenal. Jordan obviously is one, Kobe, Harde, Wade, Nowitzki etc..

Saying you hate fadeaway and mid range jumpers is ridiculous. It's not a bad shot, if you perfected it.

[The Great One]

I like both, but I really hate fadeaway mid-range jumpers fyi

Hmm. You hate fadeaway and mid range jumpers? so you hate this guy too? i'm guessing the answer is no. So instead of saying you hate fadeaway and mid range jumpers just tell it like it is, you hate DeRozan. It's ok lol #RealTalk