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Why can't we like DeMar AND JV?
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But seriously boys, y'all got the blinders on. There is no practical way to assess the talent on the team when the style of play the team uses is just so awful. The 13-14 season, after the Rudy trade, is more like the way this team needs to play in order to reach it's potential. And overall, both Lowry and DD performed better last season (although I would argue that DD is a better player now than he was last year, but did not perform that way, and Lowry just needs to get his head out of his ass).
This is a pretty good basketball team and has plenty of talent to make noise in the EC. Can we win it with this group? I don't think so, but that has as much to do with LBJ than our own roster. I don't think there is a single team in the East that can take down Lebron without significant changes to their players, coaches, style etc.
So the question really comes down to whether or not you believe there is a path to contention in the East while LBJ still dominates? Personally, I'm not sure there is, so I would be fine with tanking, which I believe would involve trading both DD and Lowry. However, I'm not fine with dismantling the roster simply because DD has poor shot selection or JV's development is being (apparently) stunted and he's not getting enough touches. Those are bad reasons to make moves, when clearly the larger issue is the style of play being employed by the coaches and/or management. And I say management here, because the change in style of play between seasons and ultimate implosion of the team reeks of meddling by upper management. I'm not sure anymore how much blame is Casey's, because if most of what went wrong with this team was really his fault, then I have to believe he would have been relieved.
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OldSkoolCool wrote: View PostTrue
Though what I take from that is that...DD has virtually no impact
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OldSkoolCool wrote: View PostKyle Lowry and Jonas Valanciunas are more responsible for this
Not DD
Dd was the best player in the playoffs, nobody else showed up. Jv didn't even play for most of the year. How was he more instrumental that demar. That literally makes no sense
The stretch where demar was injured shows you how important he is to the team. Lowry had to play balls out and we still were playing pretty poorly.I'm back. I no longer worship joe johnson
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Yabadabayolo wrote: View PostReally, Jv had more of an impact than dd did. Really man.
Dd was the best player in the playoffs, nobody else showed up. Jv didn't even play for most of the year. How was he more instrumental that demar. That literally makes no sense
The stretch where demar was injured shows you how important he is to the team. Lowry had to play balls out and we still were playing pretty poorly.
Season win record 36-31 - win % of .5373
With Demar
24/22 - Win % of .522
Without Demar
12/9 - Win % of .571
Unless I am mistaken, .571 is better than .522
Which is why Demar winshare/48 on the team, amungst players averaging at least 20 minutes is 7th out of 9. only having more impact on wins over Ross and Vasquez.Last edited by Bear; Tue Jun 2, 2015, 04:11 PM.
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Bear wrote: View PostGetting rid of the 15 game "Bargnani" Start to the season when the team was catching major breaks and playing way beyond their means that leaves the raps with the following.
With Demar
24/20 - Win % of .545
Without Demar
12/9 - Win % of .571
Unless I am mistaken, .571 is better than .545
Which is why Demar winshare/48 on the team, amungst players averaging at least 20 minutes is 7th out of 9. only having more impact on wins over Ross and Vasquez.I'm back. I no longer worship joe johnson
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Yabadabayolo wrote: View PostK so if your going to exclude the part when the team was doing so well with demar. You gotta also exclude all the games when lowry was playing like an MVP. Cuz that also screams 15 game bargnani too !
If anything the teams ridiculously improbable start speaks more to everyone else other than demar.
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Bear wrote: View PostNo, because it wasny demar winning those 15 games, demar started the season poorly, we just caught teams injured, ill prepared etc. The team overplayed.
If anything the teams ridiculously improbable start speaks more to everyone else other than demar.
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Bear wrote: View PostGetting rid of the 15 game "Bargnani" Start to the season when the team was catching major breaks and playing way beyond their means that leaves the raps with the following.
Season win record 36-31 - win % of .5373
With Demar
24/22 - Win % of .522
Without Demar
12/9 - Win % of .571
Unless I am mistaken, .571 is better than .522
Which is why Demar winshare/48 on the team, amungst players averaging at least 20 minutes is 7th out of 9. only having more impact on wins over Ross and Vasquez.
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