I really hope that he is. If he wants to continue his evaluation, then he really needs to address the PF and SF situations. You can not go forward with Ross and injured Amir in those positions and expect to really evaluate the true potential of KL,DD and JV as your core going forward.
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planetmars wrote: View PostI'm a big Masai fan.. I think he's got some moves up his sleeves that some will be wowed by (even bigger than the Bargnani trade).. but he did not fire Casey. And that's a huge negative in my opinion.
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raptors999 wrote: View PostOne of the duties of the GM is to be able to create deals. A GM that says there were no deals means he isn't able to do his job. Morey makes deals even small ones just to gain a reputation for being willing to pull the trigger. MU hasnt been doing anything
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JawsGT wrote: View PostI guess but MU never said there were no deals as far as I know. You don't deal just for the sake of it...there has to be a purpose, and to this point, we know of no deals that should have been made but weren't, even in hindsight.
One example of something at least some fans wanted was trying to acquire West. Toronto was linked to him, even if it was just rumours....But Indiana pulled him off the market. Reports stated they were listening to offers and shopping him, but when their season started going better, they decided to keep him and make a playoff push. So any fan getting mad at Masai for this "failure" should actually be mad at Larry Bird. Maybe Masai wasn't offering enough, but what should he offer for an aging PF who could opt out in the summer?
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raptors999 wrote: View PostIf that's the case, not turning some of the expirings into assest that expire in 2016 was a huge waste. MU hasn't done anything
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white men can't jump wrote: View PostYeah, it's just not simple to make a deal. And we know Masai basically never advertises anything he does.
One example of something at least some fans wanted was trying to acquire West. Toronto was linked to him, even if it was just rumours....But Indiana pulled him off the market. Reports stated they were listening to offers and shopping him, but when their season started going better, they decided to keep him and make a playoff push. So any fan getting mad at Masai for this "failure" should actually be mad at Larry Bird. Maybe Masai wasn't offering enough, but what should he offer for an aging PF who could opt out in the summer?#JaysWinningLikeItz93'
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It's so funny how people are all over Masai. He got the raptors out of a disasterous situation under the burden of Bargs and Gays contracts and flipped them into a 1st round draft pick that will likely be a lottery pick, an entire bench and 2 playoff appearances in a row. Sure we had 2 first round exits and the team is flawed but, given the state and direction of the team when Colangelo was in charge compared to now, how can you complain?
Not to mention to job MLSE did in manufacturing one of the most successful marketing campaigns ever with the "We The North" slogan that propelled basketball into the limelight. Which is something everyone here was craving.
Fuck sakes man. Chill. It's a process. The team is flawed and I'm not a fan of Casey, but I think Masai deserves the benefit of doubt this far in his tenure.Sunny ways my friends, sunny ways
Because its 2015
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Uncle_Si wrote: View PostIt's so funny how people are all over Masai. He got the raptors out of a disasterous situation under the burden of Bargs and Gays contracts and flipped them into a 1st round draft pick that will likely be a lottery pick, an entire bench and 2 playoff appearances in a row. Sure we had 2 first round exits and the team is flawed but, given the state and direction of the team when Colangelo was in charge compared to now, how can you complain?
Not to mention to job MLSE did in manufacturing one of the most successful marketing campaigns ever with the "We The North" slogan that propelled basketball into the limelight. Which is something everyone here was craving.
Fuck sakes man. Chill. It's a process. The team is flawed and I'm not a fan of Casey, but I think Masai deserves the benefit of doubt this far in his tenure.
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raptors999 wrote: View PostOne of the duties of the GM is to be able to create deals. A GM that says there were no deals means he isn't able to do his job. Morey makes deals even small ones just to gain a reputation for being willing to pull the trigger. MU hasnt been doing anything
I sincerely hope that an owner would never judge his GM's performance by the GM reaching an arbitrary transaction quota. "Make 3 deals or you're fired!" Give me a break.
If only the Masai had made moves like Morey, holding on to the Raptors expiring contracts (Gay & Barngani) longer and then turning them into valuable assets (not the garbage Masai got like a 1st round pick and valuable bench players). You know, just like Morey did with Jeremy Lin - trading him and his expiring contract along with a 1st round pick & a 2nd round pick to the Lakers for Sergei Lishchuk. Just some great GM-ing there.
I guess I'm not smart enough to realize that it's every GM's duty to make a James Harden-like trade and whoever doesn't is a failure.Last edited by Mess; Mon Jun 15, 2015, 12:16 AM.Two beer away from being two beers away.
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Mess wrote: View PostDo you really think that's Morey's motivations for making deals? Because that's absurd.
I sincerely hope that an owner would never judge his GM's performance by the GM reaching an arbitrary transaction quota. "Make 3 deals or you're fired!" Give me a break.
If only the Masai had made moves like Morey, holding on to the Raptors expiring contracts (Gay & Barngani) longer and then turning them into valuable assets (not the garbage Masai got like a 1st round pick and valuable bench players). You know, just like Morey did with Jeremy Lin - trading him and his expiring contract along with a 1st round pick & a 2nd round pick for Sergei Lishchuk. Just some great GM-ing there.
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Ah I see. From now on he should negotiate less profitable deals for the Raptors so they have more potential trade partners in the future. And also muzzle the media. Or at least spin the media's view into thinking that he's really not that good at his job. Gotcha.
I mean, I do get that he might be a little too measured and risk-averse for some people's liking. I just think people underestimate how risky it is to tear it all down by swinging for the fences and then trying to rebuild from there. Just getting back to 48-49 wins would be far from a guarantee.Two beer away from being two beers away.
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Mess wrote: View PostAh I see. From now on he should negotiate less profitable deals for the Raptors so they have more potential trade partners in the future. And also muzzle the media. Or at least spin the media's view into thinking that he's really not that good at his job. Gotcha.
I mean, I do get that he might be a little too measured and risk-averse for some people's liking. I just think people underestimate how risky it is to tear it all down by swinging for the fences and then trying to rebuild from there. Just getting back to 48-49 wins would be far from a guarantee.
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raptors999 wrote: View PostNot less profitable, but Novak + 2nd to the Jazz was probably his best deal. Small deals that tweak is a better measure of a GM then either the Bargs or Gay trade. Hawks looking like they lost the Lou William trade helps them on a second deal while Toronto "winning" that trade might have killed future deals. MU hasn't really done anything. Bucks and Dudley was better than the Lou deal but nobody says the Clippers were taken by the Bucks GM
Anyway, I think it's obvious we both just have different standards of judging trades. It sounds like you'd prefer if Masai had tweaked a roster that had won 23 and 34 games. And also, one of us prefers to base his performance on theoretical moves instead of a trade that got them the 6th man of the year who won them a lot of games.
I admit there were arguably better and more impactful moves made but that doesn't mean Masai "hasn't really done anything."Two beer away from being two beers away.
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raptors999 wrote: View PostNot less profitable, but Novak + 2nd to the Jazz was probably his best deal. Small deals that tweak is a better measure of a GM then either the Bargs or Gay trade. Hawks looking like they lost the Lou William trade helps them on a second deal while Toronto "winning" that trade might have killed future deals. MU hasn't really done anything. Bucks and Dudley was better than the Lou deal but nobody says the Clippers were taken by the Bucks GM
Look at the GSW, they've struck gold with how their team has developed such great chemistry overtime. Imagine if they traded Klay Thompson last year to get K. Love? Or if they traded Steph Curry to the Celtics for Rajon Rondo in 2012? Would they have been as good as they are now or better? Most unlikely.
This is Masai's time to look upon the roster and see what he needs to improve and get rid of on our team. The only knock against him is bringing back the same coach for next year so far. Otherwise, the moves he's made have been beneficial ones for the Raptors long term goals and perhaps overall perception of the team.#JaysWinningLikeItz93'
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