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Does anyone else "smell a rat" in the locker room.
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ceez wrote: View Posti get a real sense that DD and Lowry have an entitlement issue. seems like the locker room in general is a bunch of good guys and no one wants to step one anyone's feet but i do think there's a bit of bitterness there. guys like Val, Ross and JJ looked completely checked out as the season went on while Lowry and DD seemed more and more like their shit didn't stink.
and my goodness did it stink
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nate wrote: View Postgv and lou will are gone. Subtract Ross somehow. JJ and Derozan shoot 3s all summer. JV slim down/get quicker. Find the right pieces for the 3 and 4. Things will be fine.
In both cases: Wishful thinking
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golden wrote: View PostWell, this is old news, more suited to the regular season, but I'm guessing something like this went down...
A few of the players went to Casey, led by GV, 2Pat and JJ and told him that the ISO offense sucked and they should be moving the ball more. Casey responded with: "Appreciate your input guys, but this is Kyle and Demar's team. GTF out of my office and just rebound their misses. Oh, and JJ, you're benched for 2 months."
May add a coach or two that accompanied above players.
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gv and lou will are gone. Subtract Ross somehow. JJ and Derozan shoot 3s all summer. JV slim down/get quicker. Find the right pieces for the 3 and 4. Things will be fine.
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SkywalkerAC wrote: View PostI think the Lou Will/GV dynamic was a culprit, both on the court and off. Moving on from both of them shifts the foundation back towards defense and pecking order.
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SkywalkerAC wrote: View PostI think the Lou Will/GV dynamic was a culprit, both on the court and off. Moving on from both of them shifts the foundation back towards defense and pecking order.
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I think the Lou Will/GV dynamic was a culprit, both on the court and off. Moving on from both of them shifts the foundation back towards defense and pecking order.
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slaw wrote: View PostOne day I'll maybe make a longer post about this (cause there were some awesome stories) but I had a chance a few months ago to spend some time around a bunch of ex-NHLers just having beers, dinner, etc. This "chemistry" topic came up once and the two guys we were at a table with had completely different views of what it even meant despite the fact that they would both be considered great "character" and glue guys. The one thing they agreed on was that winning and success bred great dressing rooms and not the other way around. One guy made the point that as soon as a team starts losing, it's like any other business, all the workers start looking out for themselves and protecting their own interests and things get worse rather than better.
That's all that happened in Toronto. Things went bad and the team had no real history of success or leaders to get everyone back into line, so it spiraled. It's not even about guys not liking each other or whatever, it's just about how guys approach the game and the team that changes and it can ruin things.
This is where coaching and team leadership becomes important. I don't know them personally, but 2 stubborn and proud guys like Casey and Lowry would strike me as people who would cover their own butts and find it difficult to admit they are wrong and/or change their ways when #WeTheNorth started heading south.
It's okay to snipe at each other and disagree, but real chemistry is getting those disagreements on the table and working together towards a common solution. That can and should also happen when you're winning.Last edited by golden; Fri Jun 26, 2015, 01:34 PM.
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Nilanka wrote: View PostLol, I was kidding.
Jokes aside, there may not have been any "rat" responsible for the 2nd half collapse. Chemistry is a fragile thing, especially when you rely on it more than talent.
That's all that happened in Toronto. Things went bad and the team had no real history of success or leaders to get everyone back into line, so it spiraled. It's not even about guys not liking each other or whatever, it's just about how guys approach the game and the team that changes and it can ruin things.
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Nilanka wrote: View PostI blame Alex McKechnie, getting players to train with rubber bands and paleo diets. Sheeeeeeeit
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I don't think it can be blamed on one bad egg. I mean, it's not like there were fist fights or guns in the locker room. Their success was largely due to playing as a team together, it only takes a little slippage in the effort and concentration of a few players before you start losing that advantage and then you end up finding out the hard way that you don't have as much talent as you thought you did. It doesn't do any good to try to paint someone as the villain just because you think there has to be one.
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I believe the theory that JJ upset the locker room chemistry. Everyone appeared to be fine with their roles last year, sure we added lou will but he seems to be liked by most the guys and I dont think it bodes well that JJ has bounced around the league alot.
either way, masai has done a really good job at keeping it all in house and I do believes some trades are in the works.
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