Poeltl & Pascal - The 2016 Draft

[Demographic Shift]

Man is Ujiri gonna piss us all off if 5,500 posts later of talking about the pick he turns around and trades the damn thing.

It would be hard to go off the reservation when your picking at 9....

I believe the GM has a deal in place at 9 if the player he really really wants isn't available...

The beauty of having a deep roster is that you got options...

Think back to the days of having the 13 pick and a roster that was thin at best....

[Chr1s1anL]

Gonzaga was an 11 seed. They easily beat Seton Hall who come from a top conference and knocked off Villanovas undefeated record when they were #1. They beat top rated Utah from another top conference. They were so close against Syracuse who is a huge school and had one of the hardest schedules of anyone.
Chad ford is the only mock guru pimping dejounte bc of rich Paul. Other mock gurus like Isaacson, vecenie, Schmidt have all laughed at it.

Well he's in the green room. Which is decided on by the GMs in the league. DX has him at 15.

[Demographic Shift]

Workouts tell you almost nothing about how you can shoot the ball in actual games with the pressure of a defender in your face.

I am a firm believer in watching in game performance. There are "workout" kings.. who when put into a game and have to compete with with guys who are just as big or bigger and just as fast or faster and a lot stronger simply are flumoxed and don't know what to do...

[LJ2]

Sabonis seems like the only guy in our range that can be a rotation player the coming season. Might fit well at PF with Patterson at C, in the second unit.

[lewro]

losing in the elite 8 once a decade isn't making deep runs every year

They've made sweet16 four of last ten years. That's outstanding for a school of less than 8k students. That rivals many schools with 5 times the size and no school of similar size comes close.

[magoon]

One other thing about Sabonis is that if he's on your team, you can probably get a closer working relationship with his dad, and having Arvydas Sabonis helping give your young big pointers is probably worth quite a bit.

[Chr1s1anL]

Let say Sabonis becomes Scola and Skal becomes Frye. Which one would you rather at PF on this team?

Also if Sabonis reaches his ceilling Raptors are just a ECF team. If Skal reaches his ceilling Raptors are title contenders for years to come.

[lewro]

Example, Virginia was a #1 seed this year. They have one elite 8 appearance this yr, first in 20 years. 2 sweet16 in 20 years. Their enrollment is nearly 3x and reps a whole state.

[Demographic Shift]

Just want to float this idea out there on Marqueese Chriss...

He AND Dejounte Murray are projected lottery picks..
Chriss in the top 5.. Murray in the 12 to 14 range.
Pretty good players one would think......

And heres the but.... BUT the team they both played for.. the Washington Huskies went 19 and 15 overall and in the Charmin soft Pac 12 they eked out a 9 and 9 record. They ended the year by getting beat in the NIT in the second round...

I get the aspect of potential... but potential is like a pendulum... sometimes that potential shows up.. and sometimes you get Darko Milic

[golden]

I'm going to take a guess and say Bruno wasn't #1 on Casey's big board either.

Guess again. Casey was totally on board with Bruno (after Tyler Ennis).

Head coach Dwane Casey said that budding talent was something the team simply could not pass up.

"There were some other guys on the board, but still with this young man's potential, I don't think the other guys on the board have the potential as high as Bruno and that was the deciding factor for us," Casey said.

The Raptors, who had been linked to Ennis, a point guard from Brampton, Ont., had to quickly shift their focus once the Syracuse product was selected 18th overall by the Phoenix Suns.

With Ennis no longer available, Casey says Caboclo became Toronto's clear choice.

"[Caboclo] is one of those guys that we had to move and get him at 20 once we didn't have a chance to get Tyler Ennis," Casey said. "We had a program in place where we were going to try and get Tyler and Bruno.

"Once we couldn't move up and get Tyler, Bruno was the guy."

Casey said Toronto was one of just three or four teams who knew of Caboclo, a native of Sao Paolo, but Phoenix was also in the mix. With the Suns holding the No. 27 pick, the Raptors didn't feel Caboclo would drop to the 37th pick, where Toronto selected second

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/basketball/...oclo-1.2689403

[lewro]

Well he's in the green room. Which is decided on by the GMs in the league. DX has him at 15.

Dx has him at 30 on their big board. He will get picked high but hes not a good player. Someone can teach him but right now it's just hype and flash. Listen to Chad ford on lockedon talking about him. The guys been bought.

[MixxAOR]

he likes Bob Marley? He really is soft damn

"Dad" - Domantas Sabonis

[magoon]

I am a firm believer in watching in game performance. There are "workout" kings.. who when put into a game and have to compete with with guys who are just as big or bigger and just as fast or faster and a lot stronger simply are flumoxed and don't know what to do...

All I'm saying with respect to workouts and Sabonis is that, by all accounts, he's demonstrated a good jumper in them. At Gonzaga he worked the post game because most of the rest of the team - and particularly Kyle Wiltjer playing starting power forward - were better shooting from distance. That doesn't mean Sabonis can't shoot, it just means he was playing in the manner that benefited his team most.

(He only took 14 three point attempts during the season, but when he did he made 5 of them - that's .357 on threes. Small sample size, obviously, but there's promise there.)

Workouts obviously don't mean gameplay doesn't matter, and gameplay should be valued more than workouts when weighing a player. But workouts can provide an idea of how well a player does things that he was not called upon to do during his college career.

[lewro]

Just want to float this idea out there on Marqueese Chriss...

He AND Dejounte Murray are projected lottery picks..
Chriss in the top 5.. Murray in the 12 to 14 range.
Pretty good players one would think......

And heres the but.... BUT the team they both played for.. the Washington Huskies went 19 and 15 overall and in the Charmin soft Pac 12 they eked out a 9 and 9 record. They ended the year by getting beat in the NIT in the second round...

I get the aspect of potential... but potential is like a pendulum... sometimes that potential shows up.. and sometimes you get Darko Milic

The most important thing is they had the freedom to street ball which makes for a great mixtape. Fundamentals, motor, bbiq all lacking. Great athletes but they need good development coaching.

[Apollo]

Sabonis is being drafted in the lottery because he was one of the most effecient scorers on the block and is a great rebounder. The offense at Gonzaga was ran through Sabonis and Wiltjer. Raptors are never going to run thier offense through Sabonis. I don't like the idea of drafting guy and asking him to play totally different in the pros. Going away from what actually made him such a good player.

Most players taken outside the top 5 won't have the offense run through them. In fact that's the case for most drafts. It's also the case in most drafts that these guys are used to being a top dog and now are relegated way down the totem pole.

You're basing everything in what he has done and not at all on what he might be able to do. The draft is about forward thinking.