Everything Norman Powell

[The Great One]

We really traded this guy for Gary Trent Jr smh.

[saints91]

We could've kept Powell for 20M+ and we would be committed to FVV, Siakam, OG and Norm and very little cap room to improve the rest of the team. The trade gave us the ability to keep Gary Trent and still use the cap room Masai has worked hard to clear for this upcoming summer. I think we are all aware of those implications. I know the the market for free agents has dwindled but the are still options out there. We also would have the ability to absorb a contract from another team in a trade for an asset and possibly a pick. The flexibility was key to move this team forward.

Norm has been lights out when starting for about a year now, but he wasn't always this player, and certainly is not this player when coming off the bench. It was awesome watching him grow, but I agree with the decision.

[DanH]

No bird rights? Dumb trade if they cant go over the cap if necessary.

They do have his Bird Rights. The concern might be more to do with the tax, but I haven’t looked closely at their books.

[JawsGT]

Can POR even offer Norm $20M+? Wherever he ends up next season it will be interesting to see if he can keep up his efficiency as he moves up the pecking order.

No bird rights? Dumb trade if they cant go over the cap if necessary.

[LJ2]

Can POR even offer Norm $20M+? Wherever he ends up next season it will be interesting to see if he can keep up his efficiency as he moves up the pecking order.

[JawsGT]

I also think Norm at 20M per will also be viewed as a steal before the contract is done, and his peak value, i.e. the greatest potential return via trade, will occur during his next contract.

[JawsGT]

I think maybe we have different definitions of peak value. I'm talking about play for price. What he bring you on court for what he is getting played. For how he is playing now for 11 million is a steal of a contract. For him to be considered a steal on a 20 mil contract he would have to take another step.
But who knows I may be biased I've wanted to sell high anytime he plays well the last 3 years cause he has been so up and down si maybe that's clouding my judgement. I just have a hard time believing he will keep this up and that might be a bias as a fan.

I think his efficiency makes him worth the 20M. Remember, the top players in the league are getting 40M+ now. Ultimately, few of the contracts on a team will be considered a steal, unless its a superstar or a rookie scale deal. Its great when a player on their second contract outplays the value of the contract though, and its common for this team to see that. Demar did it, norm did it, OG will likely do it, FVV too I think, JV perhaps. Of course, that can make that 3rd contract burdensome and hard to gauge. GTjr will likely have a great opportunity to outplay his second contract too.

But i guess if you dont think his recent play will continue, or he doesnt improve in other areas than I understand where you're coming from.

[G__Deane]

I think maybe we have different definitions of peak value. I'm talking about play for price. What he bring you on court for what he is getting played. For how he is playing now for 11 million is a steal of a contract. For him to be considered a steal on a 20 mil contract he would have to take another step.
But who knows I may be biased I've wanted to sell high anytime he plays well the last 3 years cause he has been so up and down si maybe that's clouding my judgement. I just have a hard time believing he will keep this up and that might be a bias as a fan.

The only thing worse than not selling at peak value is letting someone go who moves on to be a stud somewhere else....especially when you have years invested to develop him

[bertarapsfan]

What? Well i certainly never discussed attaching picks to get him out. Thats just foolish raps fans thinking he cant be moved or that he sucks. And they were proven wrong on that front. Last season, and this season norm has greatly overplayed his contract. He is worth 20M given his production. He does not need to take another step. He is basically a 20-25ppg player on super efficiency. If he starts and gets usage he will continue that play. I know everyone thinks norm does nothing else for the team, but its not his job to rebound. His playmaking will come around when it becomes necessary to actually pass the ball. Hes so efficient right now that he doesnt have to leverage his scoring to be a playmaker because him shooting the ball is just as likely to lead to a basket than him passing. And given the way he is used, catch and shoot 3s, quick drives and slashes, and a little downhill off of PnR action, there is just more opportunity for him to score than pass. Nontheless, he is not a black hole on offence, moves the ball well and generally plays within the system. His d leaves something to be desired, but hes improved alot there over the last couple of seasons as well.

Norms gonna be alright, and so will the raps. Im not salty about the trade, but lets be realistic. Norm was moved to leverage the small cap hold of Trent Jr, so that they can use some cap space in the event lowry was traded, gets traded or walks. It was a smart bit of business by the Raps, cause it isnt like trent jr is bad or anything. They get a young player with upside, that can do some of things that norm did on offence while improving the D at that position.

Its a good move, but has nothing to do with trying to extract peak value. Like deane said, he'd still be a rap if didnt have the PO for next season.

I think maybe we have different definitions of peak value. I'm talking about play for price. What he bring you on court for what he is getting played. For how he is playing now for 11 million is a steal of a contract. For him to be considered a steal on a 20 mil contract he would have to take another step.
But who knows I may be biased I've wanted to sell high anytime he plays well the last 3 years cause he has been so up and down si maybe that's clouding my judgement. I just have a hard time believing he will keep this up and that might be a bias as a fan.

[DanH]

Well trent should make less, but it will be interesting to see how it shakes out. He turned down a 54M extension. I guess he expects 15M + per year, and norm will too of course. What will be the difference between the 2 contracts?

Should be noted that there isn't actually any reporting that he turned down or was even offered the 54M (which is only referenced because it is his maximum extension amount). The only concrete report is that he decided not to negotiate an extension and wanted instead to test RFA. Should be noted he is eligible for one right now, but I imagine he still wants to see what RFA has in store. The only articles that suggest he turned down an extension of that value are poorly sourced aggregations. Odds are the Blazers would not have offered an extension of that value, setting aside that there is zero reporting of them actually offering anything.

As for Norm he will certainly be looking for 20M+. Whether he gets it or not is another question, but I would expect him to.

[G__Deane]

Happy to see Norm thrive in his first game with Portland!

We're lucky he's on the left coast or we'd be hearing about him for years. I'm giving him a stand O in my living room on Sunday....

[TomAmnot]

Happy to see Norm thrive in his first game with Portland!

[planetmars]

Well trent should make less, but it will be interesting to see how it shakes out. He turned down a 54M extension. I guess he expects 15M + per year, and norm will too of course. What will be the difference between the 2 contracts?

The perception is that Norm will get around $20M/yr. Trent wants more than the $54M extension which was the most that Portland could offer. He's betting on himself, but yeah I think $15M/yr might be his price.

[JawsGT]

Yeah Norm's been elite offensively for some time now.. the sample size on him has grown to the point where you just know that is who he is.. an efficient scorer.. and one of the most efficient scorers in the league. His defense has really slipped to the point that he can hurt you on that end, but he more than makes up for it on the offensive side.

I do think the trade was done for economic reasons more than basketball reasons. It's not just Trent's cap hold, which will be moot if Lowry doesn't walk. Even a S&T will bring back a contract or too that will kill our cap space.

But I think more than anything they wanted to avoid being a luxury tax team. Trent will definitely make less than Norm will. And if Lowry is retained they can avoid being a tax team, and use their full mid-level. The trade just creates more flexibility with the cap.. but from an overall basketball perspective it wasn't a good trade, since Norm was the better player in the transaction. And the team that gets the better player is usually the team that wins the trade.

Well trent should make less, but it will be interesting to see how it shakes out. He turned down a 54M extension. I guess he expects 15M + per year, and norm will too of course. What will be the difference between the 2 contracts?

[planetmars]

What? Well i certainly never discussed attaching picks to get him out. Thats just foolish raps fans thinking he cant be moved or that he sucks. And they were proven wrong on that front. Last season, and this season norm has greatly overplayed his contract. He is worth 20M given his production. He does not need to take another step. He is basically a 20-25ppg player on super efficiency. If he starts and gets usage he will continue that play. I know everyone thinks norm does nothing else for the team, but its not his job to rebound. His playmaking will come around when it becomes necessary to actually pass the ball. Hes so efficient right now that he doesnt have to leverage his scoring to be a playmaker because him shooting the ball is just as likely to lead to a basket than him passing. And given the way he is used, catch and shoot 3s, quick drives and slashes, and a little downhill off of PnR action, there is just more opportunity for him to score than pass. Nontheless, he is not a black hole on offence, moves the ball well and generally plays within the system. His d leaves something to be desired, but hes improved alot there over the last couple of seasons as well.

Norms gonna be alright, and so will the raps. Im not salty about the trade, but lets be realistic. Norm was moved to leverage the small cap hold of Trent Jr, so that they can use some cap space in the event lowry was traded, gets traded or walks. It was a smart bit of business by the Raps, cause it isnt like trent jr is bad or anything. They get a young player with upside, that can do some of things that norm did on offence while improving the D at that position.

Its a good move, but has nothing to do with trying to extract peak value. Like deane said, he'd still be a rap if didnt have the PO for next season.

Yeah Norm's been elite offensively for some time now.. the sample size on him has grown to the point where you just know that is who he is.. an efficient scorer.. and one of the most efficient scorers in the league. His defense has really slipped to the point that he can hurt you on that end, but he more than makes up for it on the offensive side.

I do think the trade was done for economic reasons more than basketball reasons. It's not just Trent's cap hold, which will be moot if Lowry doesn't walk. Even a S&T will bring back a contract or too that will kill our cap space.

But I think more than anything they wanted to avoid being a luxury tax team. Trent will definitely make less than Norm will. And if Lowry is retained they can avoid being a tax team, and use their full mid-level. The trade just creates more flexibility with the cap.. but from an overall basketball perspective it wasn't a good trade, since Norm was the better player in the transaction. And the team that gets the better player is usually the team that wins the trade.