Closing a game with Kanter and Melo trying to play defence is kind of hilarious, good thing it's the Magic.
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golden wrote: View Post
CJ hogging the ball. Norm won’t get any shots once Dame gets back."We're playing in a building." -- Kawhi Leonard
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bertarapsfan wrote: View Post
How norm is playing right now on a 11 million dollar contract is going to be his peak value as an NBA asset. How he may be playing next year on a 20 dollar contract he would have to take another step to reach his value he had yesterday. Dont forget it wasnt to long ago we were talking about attaching picks to get him out. Bow we are getting a young dude a franchise was very high on in return
Norms gonna be alright, and so will the raps. Im not salty about the trade, but lets be realistic. Norm was moved to leverage the small cap hold of Trent Jr, so that they can use some cap space in the event lowry was traded, gets traded or walks. It was a smart bit of business by the Raps, cause it isnt like trent jr is bad or anything. They get a young player with upside, that can do some of things that norm did on offence while improving the D at that position.
Its a good move, but has nothing to do with trying to extract peak value. Like deane said, he'd still be a rap if didnt have the PO for next season.
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DanH wrote: View Post
If Norm was a great player that argument would make sense.
But you re-sign Norm and he sees any regression in his shooting and suddenly he’s not just dipping in value, he is hard to move. Not sure how “expecting a big raise†and “already locked into a big raise†are significantly different in terms of value.
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JawsGT wrote: View Post
What? Well i certainly never discussed attaching picks to get him out. Thats just foolish raps fans thinking he cant be moved or that he sucks. And they were proven wrong on that front. Last season, and this season norm has greatly overplayed his contract. He is worth 20M given his production. He does not need to take another step. He is basically a 20-25ppg player on super efficiency. If he starts and gets usage he will continue that play. I know everyone thinks norm does nothing else for the team, but its not his job to rebound. His playmaking will come around when it becomes necessary to actually pass the ball. Hes so efficient right now that he doesnt have to leverage his scoring to be a playmaker because him shooting the ball is just as likely to lead to a basket than him passing. And given the way he is used, catch and shoot 3s, quick drives and slashes, and a little downhill off of PnR action, there is just more opportunity for him to score than pass. Nontheless, he is not a black hole on offence, moves the ball well and generally plays within the system. His d leaves something to be desired, but hes improved alot there over the last couple of seasons as well.
Norms gonna be alright, and so will the raps. Im not salty about the trade, but lets be realistic. Norm was moved to leverage the small cap hold of Trent Jr, so that they can use some cap space in the event lowry was traded, gets traded or walks. It was a smart bit of business by the Raps, cause it isnt like trent jr is bad or anything. They get a young player with upside, that can do some of things that norm did on offence while improving the D at that position.
Its a good move, but has nothing to do with trying to extract peak value. Like deane said, he'd still be a rap if didnt have the PO for next season.
I do think the trade was done for economic reasons more than basketball reasons. It's not just Trent's cap hold, which will be moot if Lowry doesn't walk. Even a S&T will bring back a contract or too that will kill our cap space.
But I think more than anything they wanted to avoid being a luxury tax team. Trent will definitely make less than Norm will. And if Lowry is retained they can avoid being a tax team, and use their full mid-level. The trade just creates more flexibility with the cap.. but from an overall basketball perspective it wasn't a good trade, since Norm was the better player in the transaction. And the team that gets the better player is usually the team that wins the trade.
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planetmars wrote: View Post
Yeah Norm's been elite offensively for some time now.. the sample size on him has grown to the point where you just know that is who he is.. an efficient scorer.. and one of the most efficient scorers in the league. His defense has really slipped to the point that he can hurt you on that end, but he more than makes up for it on the offensive side.
I do think the trade was done for economic reasons more than basketball reasons. It's not just Trent's cap hold, which will be moot if Lowry doesn't walk. Even a S&T will bring back a contract or too that will kill our cap space.
But I think more than anything they wanted to avoid being a luxury tax team. Trent will definitely make less than Norm will. And if Lowry is retained they can avoid being a tax team, and use their full mid-level. The trade just creates more flexibility with the cap.. but from an overall basketball perspective it wasn't a good trade, since Norm was the better player in the transaction. And the team that gets the better player is usually the team that wins the trade.
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JawsGT wrote: View Post
Well trent should make less, but it will be interesting to see how it shakes out. He turned down a 54M extension. I guess he expects 15M + per year, and norm will too of course. What will be the difference between the 2 contracts?
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JawsGT wrote: View Post
Well trent should make less, but it will be interesting to see how it shakes out. He turned down a 54M extension. I guess he expects 15M + per year, and norm will too of course. What will be the difference between the 2 contracts?
As for Norm he will certainly be looking for 20M+. Whether he gets it or not is another question, but I would expect him to.
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JawsGT wrote: View Post
What? Well i certainly never discussed attaching picks to get him out. Thats just foolish raps fans thinking he cant be moved or that he sucks. And they were proven wrong on that front. Last season, and this season norm has greatly overplayed his contract. He is worth 20M given his production. He does not need to take another step. He is basically a 20-25ppg player on super efficiency. If he starts and gets usage he will continue that play. I know everyone thinks norm does nothing else for the team, but its not his job to rebound. His playmaking will come around when it becomes necessary to actually pass the ball. Hes so efficient right now that he doesnt have to leverage his scoring to be a playmaker because him shooting the ball is just as likely to lead to a basket than him passing. And given the way he is used, catch and shoot 3s, quick drives and slashes, and a little downhill off of PnR action, there is just more opportunity for him to score than pass. Nontheless, he is not a black hole on offence, moves the ball well and generally plays within the system. His d leaves something to be desired, but hes improved alot there over the last couple of seasons as well.
Norms gonna be alright, and so will the raps. Im not salty about the trade, but lets be realistic. Norm was moved to leverage the small cap hold of Trent Jr, so that they can use some cap space in the event lowry was traded, gets traded or walks. It was a smart bit of business by the Raps, cause it isnt like trent jr is bad or anything. They get a young player with upside, that can do some of things that norm did on offence while improving the D at that position.
Its a good move, but has nothing to do with trying to extract peak value. Like deane said, he'd still be a rap if didnt have the PO for next season.
But who knows I may be biased I've wanted to sell high anytime he plays well the last 3 years cause he has been so up and down si maybe that's clouding my judgement. I just have a hard time believing he will keep this up and that might be a bias as a fan.To be the champs you got to beat the champs
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bertarapsfan wrote: View Post
I think maybe we have different definitions of peak value. I'm talking about play for price. What he bring you on court for what he is getting played. For how he is playing now for 11 million is a steal of a contract. For him to be considered a steal on a 20 mil contract he would have to take another step.
But who knows I may be biased I've wanted to sell high anytime he plays well the last 3 years cause he has been so up and down si maybe that's clouding my judgement. I just have a hard time believing he will keep this up and that might be a bias as a fan.
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bertarapsfan wrote: View Post
I think maybe we have different definitions of peak value. I'm talking about play for price. What he bring you on court for what he is getting played. For how he is playing now for 11 million is a steal of a contract. For him to be considered a steal on a 20 mil contract he would have to take another step.
But who knows I may be biased I've wanted to sell high anytime he plays well the last 3 years cause he has been so up and down si maybe that's clouding my judgement. I just have a hard time believing he will keep this up and that might be a bias as a fan.
But i guess if you dont think his recent play will continue, or he doesnt improve in other areas than I understand where you're coming from.
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