Everything Norman Powell

[DanH]

+1. Reality doesn't agree with mock drafts either. I'm surprised people don't regularly go back to Chad Ford (and other experts) mock drafts 3-4 years later and mock the hell out of them. In hindsight, they're a joke, or mockery, if you will. lol.

True. Although, to be fair, so are the results of the actual draft for the most part, in terms of getting the best players first.

[raptors999]

Masai wanted Giannis in his draft. Do you think he didn't want Giannis in that draft? He didn't get him, so clearly he didn't want him.

The Raptors would have had several guys in each tier - you can't say they didn't want any of them because they didn't trade for extra picks to take them all. That's crazy.

They clearly got the 2nd rounder hoping to pick up someone they had ranked in the second round. They clearly were ecstatic that a guy they would have taken in the first round HAD THEY ALREADY HAD A PICK THERE slipped to them.

How is this difficult to grasp?

Masasi tried to trade for Gianni's desperately, he even said that. Again MUs office is very secretive but the Ennis, Harris at #20 was shown in photos and the Memphis potential trade was disclosed. Raptors taking Wright first round is obvious since they took him. Everything else is just speculation.

There weren't any signs MU was trying to get another pick, grabbing Powell at #46 was fortunate but they didn't make him a priority.

[Nilanka]

+1. Reality doesn't agree with mock drafts either. I'm surprised people don't regularly go back to Chad Ford (and other experts) mock drafts 3-4 years later and mock the hell out of them. In hindsight, they're a joke, or mockery, if you will. lol.

Mock drafts don't claim to be truth, do they? They're guesses. Not sure that's worthy of mockery.

[golden]

True. Although, to be fair, so are the results of the actual draft for the most part, in terms of getting the best players first.

Agreed. It's been beaten to death in other threads, but again, the whole randomness of the drafting process routinely makes both draft experts and highly paid NBA professionals look like scrubs. Illustrates the importance of internal player development and/or the GM's ability to trade players for other team's picks, who are in turn are developed into stars. (e.g. George Hill becomes Kawhi Leonard as the textbook example.)

[mcHAPPY]

+1. Reality doesn't agree with mock drafts either. I'm surprised people don't regularly go back to Chad Ford (and other experts) mock drafts 3-4 years later and mock the hell out of them. In hindsight, they're a joke, or mockery, if you will. lol.

They aren't going to nail them all.

Draftexpress did very well this year. Projected the lottery except for 3.

After the first round it really is a crapshoot.

[DanH]

Masasi tried to trade for Gianni's desperately, he even said that. Again MUs office is very secretive but the Ennis, Harris at #20 was shown in photos and the Memphis potential trade was disclosed. Raptors taking Wright first round is obvious since they took him. Everything else is just speculation.

There weren't any signs MU was trying to get another pick, grabbing Powell at #46 was fortunate but they didn't make him a priority.

Did anyone claim he was made a priority? What are you arguing against now? There has been one claim and one claim only: the Toronto Raptors front office had Powell one tier below Wright and projected as a first round pick.

In what way are you refuting that at this point? You've built strawman after strawman but have done nothing to cast any doubt on that report.

[golden]

Mock drafts don't claim to be truth, do they? They're guesses. Not sure that's worthy of mockery.

The experts who put those mocks draft rankings are indeed claiming a level of expertise far and above the average sports fan. Since that turns out to be rubbish, then yeah, I think that is deserving of mockery. GMs too.

[raptors999]

Did anyone claim he was made a priority? What are you arguing against now? There has been one claim and one claim only: the Toronto Raptors front office had Powell one tier below Wright and projected as a first round pick.

In what way are you refuting that at this point? You've built strawman after strawman but have done nothing to cast any doubt on that report.

there is nothing to suggest that Powell would have been taken first round except some random tweet that Raptor FO never confirm or deny. if you see what the Raptors actually did, take Wright #20 then wait until pick #46 to draft Powell shows that they were willing to wait until pick #46 to draft Powell after taking Wright #20. Picks inbetween can be bought with cash + #46

[DanH]

there is nothing to suggest that Powell would have been taken first round except some random tweet that Raptor FO never confirm or deny. if you see what the Raptors actually did, take Wright #20 then wait until pick #46 to draft Powell shows that they were willing to wait until pick #46 to draft Powell after taking Wright #20. Picks inbetween can be bought with cash + #46

Every team in the league is willing to take a guy who drops if he drops to them. It does not mean that team is willing to trade assets to capitalize on that, nor that teams above them are willing to accept the assets you outline.

All the second round picks that moved for 1 other second rounder and cash above our second round pick:

None.

Closest is Philly's 35th pick, moved for 2 future 2nd's (New York's, so more valuable than what we could offer) and cash. CHA made a similar trade (with BKN).

To beat those offers, we would have had to offer three 2nd rounders. We couldn't use our current year's pick, the reason those teams traded the pick is because they didn't like anyone on the board. So Masai is unwilling to empty 3 second rounders for a guy they saw as a late 1st rounder, and that's inconceivable to you?

No front office will ever confirm or deny stuff like this. That has no bearing on its veracity. The reality is you've presented no logical reason why the tweet might be untrue.

[raptors999]

Did anyone claim he was made a priority? What are you arguing against now? There has been one claim and one claim only: the Toronto Raptors front office had Powell one tier below Wright and projected as a first round pick.

In what way are you refuting that at this point? You've built strawman after strawman but have done nothing to cast any doubt on that report.

that the Raptor taking Powell was like a second first round pick. it isnt he is a second round pick. an unguaranteed draft pick that might someday play like DeAndre Danials. Wright is actually a first round pick and expected to be on the NBA roster and is guaranteed 2 years and considered a bust if he never plays meaningful minutes just like Bruno

[DanH]

that the Raptor taking Powell was like a second first round pick. it isnt he is a second round pick. an unguaranteed draft pick that might someday play like DeAndre Danials. Wright is actually a first round pick and expected to be on the NBA roster and is guaranteed 2 years and considered a bust if he never plays meaningful minutes just like Bruno

None of that is relevant to the tweet. The tweet did not say Powell was a first rounder - it said the Raptors had him ranked there and as such were very happy to see him still there with their second rounder.

[mcHAPPY]

that the Raptor taking Powell was like a second first round pick. it isnt he is a second round pick. an unguaranteed draft pick that might someday play like DeAndre Danials. Wright is actually a first round pick and expected to be on the NBA roster and is guaranteed 2 years and considered a bust if he never plays meaningful minutes just like Bruno

I feel bad about the pile on here, lol.

One thing you're missing though is Raptors front office opinion.

It was the front office's opinion Powell was a first round pick.

Obviously he wasn't because he was drafted in the 2nd round.

But the opinion of the front office is he was worthy of a first round pick.

So it is their opinion they got the talent of a first round pick at #46.

[thead]

that the Raptor taking Powell was like a second first round pick. it isnt he is a second round pick. an unguaranteed draft pick that might someday play like DeAndre Danials. Wright is actually a first round pick and expected to be on the NBA roster and is guaranteed 2 years and considered a bust if he never plays meaningful minutes just like Bruno

did someone say he wasn't a second round pick?

[raptors999]

did someone say he wasn't a second round pick?

yes, this arguement started because someone claimed Powell is like getting two first rounders. I like Powell but nobody should be expecting him to make the NBA just hoping eventually he does.

[DanH]

yes, this arguement started because someone claimed Powell is like getting two first rounders. I like Powell but nobody should be expecting him to make the NBA just hoping eventually he does.

I pretty much guarantee he'll be signing an NBA contract with the Raptors this summer.