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  • #61
    DanH wrote: View Post
    It's complicated. For example, IF you wanted to keep Lou, you'd want his current year salary as low as possible to free up as much cap room to, as you put it, go after top tier FAs. For example, 15.8M for Tobias Harris. That would mean you need to sign Lou to a deal starting at 7.1M. Now, if you want to get him to agree to that, you probably need to go 5 years and have Bird raises, so it works out to 8M per year (40.8M). That might be enough for him to re-sign.

    But to do that, you have to have to keep his Bird Rights, which means keeping his cap hold, which is 10.4M. Meaning until you sign him or renounce his rights, we only have about 12M in cap space, not enough to chase Harris or most other RFA's. So, two solutions. First, you renounce his rights. Now you make the 15.8M offer, say Harris signs and Orlando doesn't match. Got him. Now we go back to Lou with our 7.1M and offer him a contract. But without his rights (which we renounced), we can now only offer him a 4 year deal with small raises. Meaning a 30.3M offer (7.6M per year). Lou might well be less open to a 30M offer than a 40M offer. Then he walks, and everyone else you go after knows they are a second thought. Not great.

    Second option is to just sign Lou first, to the 5 year deal his Bird Rights allow as described above. This allows his current year salary (7.1M) to replace his cap hold (10.4M) freeing up enough cap room to go after Harris while ensuring that Lou gets the deal he wants.

    As for a 1+1 deal for Lou, he and his agent would laugh you off the phone then bad mouth you to every agent and player in the business. He just won 6th man of the year. He'll be getting 4 years from someone. Heck he may get offers above the 7.1 I'm suggesting - but the only way he considers the 7.1 and keeps our cap clear is if he gets term instead.

    Plus there is an added bonus to long deals this summer - every year a contract exists under the new 100M cap is another year of increased value. That 40M would essentially be a MLE deal in a couple years - a good value for a bench scorer like Lou.

    Again, I'd rather not re-sign him, but if you do, you do it right away and for the amount I've described here to maximize flexibility to chase a real game changer.
    Makes a lot of sense. Tbh Lou might actually be worth that money, like you said he was 6th man of the year and the guy does exactly what you want a 6th man to do off the bench. Scores in bunches, relatively efficiently as well. With Delon Wright being able to guard the 1 and 2 he might not look as bad defensively either.

    How much would signing Lou to a deal like that hurt us in 2016 FA though where we could potentially be paying 35-40M to retain DeRozan and JV?

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    • #62
      Well, the deal would hurt us 8M or so.

      If you look at my stickies thread about planning for the future, there should be an update towards the end that shows our cap status in the next two summers. If not I'll provide an update so there's a clear picture.
      twitter.com/dhackett1565

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      • #63
        JWash wrote: View Post
        Makes a lot of sense. Tbh Lou might actually be worth that money, like you said he was 6th man of the year and the guy does exactly what you want a 6th man to do off the bench. Scores in bunches, relatively efficiently as well. With Delon Wright being able to guard the 1 and 2 he might not look as bad defensively either.

        How much would signing Lou to a deal like that hurt us in 2016 FA though where we could potentially be paying 35-40M to retain DeRozan and JV?
        Only issue become if Toronto signs Middleton a 2/3 and Lou and renounces Amir Raptors lose all exemptions and have to fill the 4 with about 2M. If they sign Milsap who is probably more expensive they could lose both

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        • #64
          Mr.Z wrote: View Post
          Aldridge and his shot selection make DeMar look like a fucking genius
          Agreed. Aldridge is way more efficient than DD.

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          • #65
            This may sound a little farfetched, but I think we should trade demar for either a good pf or pull a rudy gay trade and collect an entire bench, then resign lou to a reasonable contract (8 mil per) to be our starting shooting guard. Lou basically brings what demar does except with a 3 point shot, more veteran savvy, no post ups (which is good cuz demar is taking post ups away from JV), and less size, but with all these links to defensive players and having a good defensive pg now like wright, he can be masked. And as much as we've seen lou shoot a lot, I don't think he would be as much of a black hole as demar because when we played him at pg at times last year he showed that he is willing to pass and make some plays for others. This also fixes the spacing issues in the starting lineup cuz as mentioned he can shoot the 3 and casey no longer has an excuse to start ross at the 3 which is ridiculous.

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            • #66
              psrs1 wrote: View Post
              Agreed. Aldridge is way more efficient than DD.
              That isn't what he was saying. He was saying the shots Aldridge takes are worse than the shots DeMar takes.

              But, even then, Aldridge is (somehow) still more efficient, so you're right there.

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              • #67
                "Amir or Lou? Who do you want back?"

                Both can go.
                Mamba Mentality

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                • #68
                  TRex wrote: View Post
                  "Amir or Lou? Who do you want back?"

                  Both can go.
                  Ding ding ding ding! What's the prize?
                  "We're playing in a building." -- Kawhi Leonard

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