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Now, Miami. Start with the assumption they would prefer Aldridge over Bosh (a simple conclusion considering they met with Aldridge and there's no way for them to get him without losing Bosh).
It would be really hard to manage though, as Miami would have to get clear of the tax apron to participate in a sign and trade. They just signed Wade and Dragic to a total of 35.5M. Add that to their 56.5M of committed salary and you get 92M. If the cap is 69M, the hard cap will be about 88M. So the sign and trade needs to get them below that. Let's assume they run a full 15 man lineup, and currently they sit at 12 players. Add Justise Winslow at 2.5M. That's 13 players, at 94.5M. Then add two vet min deals, 1.9M total. 96.4M. So they would need to shed 8.5M of cap in a sign and trade. Plus 950k for every roster spot they open up (as we assume they will maintain a 15 man roster with minimum deals).
We have about 10.6M in cap room, and Bosh makes 22.2M. If Aldridge signs for the max that will be 19.5M (so they clear 2.7M right there). That means they need to send out players worth 5.8M plus 950k for each player. Candidates: Chalmers (4.3M), Josh McRoberts (5.45M), Luol Deng (10.15M).
Deng seems the obvious choice - with Winslow coming in and his expiring deal, seems easy to move and easy to replace. And that way they keep their forward and guard depth. Let's go with Deng. And that also gives them a little leeway to absorb a contract back in the deal.
So MIA out - Deng (10.15M), Bosh (22.2M)
MIA in - LaMarcus Aldridge (19.5M), James Johnson (2.5M), 10.25M TPE
TOR out - James Johnson (2.5M), Patrick Patterson (6.27M), Terrence Ross (3.55M), TOR 2016 1st, LAC 2017 1st
TOR in - Chris Bosh
POR out - SnT LaMarcus Aldridge (19.5M)
POR in - Luol Deng (10.15M), Patrick Patterson (6.27M), Terrence Ross (3.55M), TOR 2016 1st, LAC 2017 1st
MIA gets to sign Aldridge, and gets a cheap backup 3 to support Winslow, while divesting themselves of the Deng contract (that they were hoping he would opt out of). POR gets a very nice return for their departing superstar (especially considering he is UFA) - a replacement PF signed to a nice deal, a young guard, a veteran expiring wing to replace Batum short term, and two first rounders. Should help with starting again around Lillard while still remaining competitive in the West right away. And Toronto gets Chris Bosh to play between a shooting, defending and rebounding 3, a true low post, rim protecting and rebounding C, and with two all stars in the backcourt. The bench ends up being filled out with young guys and minimum deals, but that's a heck of a starting lineup.
I can't believe I actually got it to work. Huh.
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stooley wrote: View Postis there not?
what about deng/chalmers/mcbob/anderson?
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ebrian wrote: View PostIn order to be a championship contender, you actually have to be able to make it to the finals. We lost 4-0 to the Wizards. 4-0. Of the 8-10 playoff contending teams in the East, yes the "easy path" East, we are literally the furthest away from making the Finals. Now you think this team plus Carroll, Wright and LMA, minus Amir, equals Championship quality? That's ridiculous and deep down you know this.
There isn't a chance in hell that LMA thinks the Raptors are a better option than any of those Western Conference teams. At best he views us as an up-and-coming team. If he had been 25, he'd probably strongly consider signing here, but at 29 in prime? Not a chance.
And where are you getting this "POR had one of the best starting 5's in basketball"? This statement might be true:
POR had one of the 16 best starting 5's in basketball.
And in terms of net points, they have been top 4 and top 6 the past 2 seasons.
POR starting lineup 13/14
POR starting lineup 14/15
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DanH wrote: View PostNow, Miami. Start with the assumption they would prefer Aldridge over Bosh (a simple conclusion considering they met with Aldridge and there's no way for them to get him without losing Bosh).
It would be really hard to manage though, as Miami would have to get clear of the tax apron to participate in a sign and trade. They just signed Wade and Dragic to a total of 35.5M. Add that to their 56.5M of committed salary and you get 92M. If the cap is 69M, the hard cap will be about 88M. So the sign and trade needs to get them below that. Let's assume they run a full 15 man lineup, and currently they sit at 12 players. Add Justise Winslow at 2.5M. That's 13 players, at 94.5M. Then add two vet min deals, 1.9M total. 96.4M. So they would need to shed 8.5M of cap in a sign and trade. Plus 950k for every roster spot they open up (as we assume they will maintain a 15 man roster with minimum deals).
We have about 10.6M in cap room, and Bosh makes 22.2M. If Aldridge signs for the max that will be 19.5M (so they clear 2.7M right there). That means they need to send out players worth 5.8M plus 950k for each player. Candidates: Chalmers (4.3M), Josh McRoberts (5.45M), Luol Deng (10.15M).
Deng seems the obvious choice - with Winslow coming in and his expiring deal, seems easy to move and easy to replace. And that way they keep their forward and guard depth. Let's go with Deng. And that also gives them a little leeway to absorb a contract back in the deal.
So MIA out - Deng (10.15M), Bosh (22.2M)
MIA in - LaMarcus Aldridge (19.5M), James Johnson (2.5M), 10.25M TPE
TOR out - James Johnson (2.5M), Patrick Patterson (6.27M), Terrence Ross (3.55M), TOR 2016 1st, LAC 2017 1st
TOR in - Chris Bosh
POR out - SnT LaMarcus Aldridge (19.5M)
POR in - Luol Deng (10.15M), Patrick Patterson (6.27M), Terrence Ross (3.55M), TOR 2016 1st, LAC 2017 1st
MIA gets to sign Aldridge, and gets a cheap backup 3 to support Winslow, while divesting themselves of the Deng contract (that they were hoping he would opt out of). POR gets a very nice return for their departing superstar (especially considering he is UFA) - a replacement PF signed to a nice deal, a young guard, a veteran expiring wing to replace Batum short term, and two first rounders. Should help with starting again around Lillard while still remaining competitive in the West right away. And Toronto gets Chris Bosh to play between a shooting, defending and rebounding 3, a true low post, rim protecting and rebounding C, and with two all stars in the backcourt. The bench ends up being filled out with young guys and minimum deals, but that's a heck of a starting lineup.
I can't believe I actually got it to work. Huh.
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Puffer wrote: View PostDan H for GM...or at least as the new Raptors capologist.Heir, Prince of Cambridge
If you see KeonClark in the wasteland, please share your food and water with him.
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DanH wrote: View PostNow, Miami. Start with the assumption they would prefer Aldridge over Bosh (a simple conclusion considering they met with Aldridge and there's no way for them to get him without losing Bosh).
It would be really hard to manage though, as Miami would have to get clear of the tax apron to participate in a sign and trade. They just signed Wade and Dragic to a total of 35.5M. Add that to their 56.5M of committed salary and you get 92M. If the cap is 69M, the hard cap will be about 88M. So the sign and trade needs to get them below that. Let's assume they run a full 15 man lineup, and currently they sit at 12 players. Add Justise Winslow at 2.5M. That's 13 players, at 94.5M. Then add two vet min deals, 1.9M total. 96.4M. So they would need to shed 8.5M of cap in a sign and trade. Plus 950k for every roster spot they open up (as we assume they will maintain a 15 man roster with minimum deals).
We have about 10.6M in cap room, and Bosh makes 22.2M. If Aldridge signs for the max that will be 19.5M (so they clear 2.7M right there). That means they need to send out players worth 5.8M plus 950k for each player. Candidates: Chalmers (4.3M), Josh McRoberts (5.45M), Luol Deng (10.15M).
Deng seems the obvious choice - with Winslow coming in and his expiring deal, seems easy to move and easy to replace. And that way they keep their forward and guard depth. Let's go with Deng. And that also gives them a little leeway to absorb a contract back in the deal.
So MIA out - Deng (10.15M), Bosh (22.2M)
MIA in - LaMarcus Aldridge (19.5M), James Johnson (2.5M), 10.25M TPE
TOR out - James Johnson (2.5M), Patrick Patterson (6.27M), Terrence Ross (3.55M), TOR 2016 1st, LAC 2017 1st
TOR in - Chris Bosh
POR out - SnT LaMarcus Aldridge (19.5M)
POR in - Luol Deng (10.15M), Patrick Patterson (6.27M), Terrence Ross (3.55M), TOR 2016 1st, LAC 2017 1st
MIA gets to sign Aldridge, and gets a cheap backup 3 to support Winslow, while divesting themselves of the Deng contract (that they were hoping he would opt out of). POR gets a very nice return for their departing superstar (especially considering he is UFA) - a replacement PF signed to a nice deal, a young guard, a veteran expiring wing to replace Batum short term, and two first rounders. Should help with starting again around Lillard while still remaining competitive in the West right away. And Toronto gets Chris Bosh to play between a shooting, defending and rebounding 3, a true low post, rim protecting and rebounding C, and with two all stars in the backcourt. The bench ends up being filled out with young guys and minimum deals, but that's a heck of a starting lineup.
I can't believe I actually got it to work. Huh.9 time first team all-RR, First Ballot Hall of Forum
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DanH wrote: View PostNow, Miami. Start with the assumption they would prefer Aldridge over Bosh (a simple conclusion considering they met with Aldridge and there's no way for them to get him without losing Bosh).
It would be really hard to manage though, as Miami would have to get clear of the tax apron to participate in a sign and trade. They just signed Wade and Dragic to a total of 35.5M. Add that to their 56.5M of committed salary and you get 92M. If the cap is 69M, the hard cap will be about 88M. So the sign and trade needs to get them below that. Let's assume they run a full 15 man lineup, and currently they sit at 12 players. Add Justise Winslow at 2.5M. That's 13 players, at 94.5M. Then add two vet min deals, 1.9M total. 96.4M. So they would need to shed 8.5M of cap in a sign and trade. Plus 950k for every roster spot they open up (as we assume they will maintain a 15 man roster with minimum deals).
We have about 10.6M in cap room, and Bosh makes 22.2M. If Aldridge signs for the max that will be 19.5M (so they clear 2.7M right there). That means they need to send out players worth 5.8M plus 950k for each player. Candidates: Chalmers (4.3M), Josh McRoberts (5.45M), Luol Deng (10.15M).
Deng seems the obvious choice - with Winslow coming in and his expiring deal, seems easy to move and easy to replace. And that way they keep their forward and guard depth. Let's go with Deng. And that also gives them a little leeway to absorb a contract back in the deal.
So MIA out - Deng (10.15M), Bosh (22.2M)
MIA in - LaMarcus Aldridge (19.5M), James Johnson (2.5M), 10.25M TPE
TOR out - James Johnson (2.5M), Patrick Patterson (6.27M), Terrence Ross (3.55M), TOR 2016 1st, LAC 2017 1st
TOR in - Chris Bosh
POR out - SnT LaMarcus Aldridge (19.5M)
POR in - Luol Deng (10.15M), Patrick Patterson (6.27M), Terrence Ross (3.55M), TOR 2016 1st, LAC 2017 1st
MIA gets to sign Aldridge, and gets a cheap backup 3 to support Winslow, while divesting themselves of the Deng contract (that they were hoping he would opt out of). POR gets a very nice return for their departing superstar (especially considering he is UFA) - a replacement PF signed to a nice deal, a young guard, a veteran expiring wing to replace Batum short term, and two first rounders. Should help with starting again around Lillard while still remaining competitive in the West right away. And Toronto gets Chris Bosh to play between a shooting, defending and rebounding 3, a true low post, rim protecting and rebounding C, and with two all stars in the backcourt. The bench ends up being filled out with young guys and minimum deals, but that's a heck of a starting lineup.
I can't believe I actually got it to work. Huh.
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KeonClark wrote: View PostAnd therein lies the problem. I keep reading people trying so hard to get that PF or starter to put us over the top trading JJ, Ross, 2Pat...I agree starters are the most important part of the team, but NOBODY goes to the conference finals without a team that goes at least 7 deep. You can't gut the bench so bad there's no NBA players left, and then fill it out with Powell and "veteran minimums". We'd be in for a rude awakening.
Second, any move made only for the coming year is a foolish one. From here, there are multiple summers of exceptions to add talent gradually, not to mention trade options with all those draft assets. And of course the improvement of our youth pieces.
Depth comes second. You build depth first, and you lose the ability to add top end talent.
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Ooh, better one. Two 1st rounders for Markieff and Leuer into our cap space (taking on two contracts means we clear two roster slot holds, meaning our 8.4M cap room becomes 9.4M). Then Ridnour and a 1st for Len (whose ~4M salary fits in the 150% allowed in return from Ridnour's 2.75M).
Works perfectly to take on about 12M in salary. We fill our starting PF and backup C with young promising players.
Only first rounder in the next two drafts we keep is the Knicks one.
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DanH wrote: View PostFirst, I do think a strong starting lineup is much more important than a deep bench - we had one of the best benches in the league last year and look where it got us. So I do think our chances of advancing to the conference finals are decent with that team. Over the course of the year 2 or 3 of the young guys/vets would separate themselves as reasonable options.
Second, any move made only for the coming year is a foolish one. From here, there are multiple summers of exceptions to add talent gradually, not to mention trade options with all those draft assets. And of course the improvement of our youth pieces.
Depth comes second. You build depth first, and you lose the ability to add top end talent.
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DanH wrote: View PostOoh, better one. Two 1st rounders for Markieff and Leuer into our cap space (taking on two contracts means we clear two roster slot holds, meaning our 8.4M cap room becomes 9.4M). Then Ridnour and a 1st for Len (whose ~4M salary fits in the 150% allowed in return from Ridnour's 2.75M).
Works perfectly to take on about 12M in salary. We fill our starting PF and backup C with young promising players.
Only first rounder in the next two drafts we keep is the Knicks one.
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