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  • Problem that no one seems to be mentioning.

    This post is going to be analytics driven to show disparaging differences between statistical output and the way our system is being run.

    These are regular season stats*

    1. Jonas Valanciunas had the Raptors highest True Shooting % (.623) - which was 7th highest and an Effective Field Goal Pct of .572 which was 5th highest in the entire league. Despite this, he attempted the 8th most shots on a Raptors line up which consisted Terrence Ross, Greivis Vasquez, and Lou Williams all playing less minutes and taking more shots than him (per game) while having vastly lower TS%'s. To contrast, DeMar DeRozan took more than twice as many shots as JV while being 12th on the team in TS% - that's with all the free throws he's been to the line for.

    Furthermore, he had an Offensive Rating of 122, good for 13th in the league and a defensive rating of 105, second best to James Johnson in our line up. He was 13th in the league in Win Shares per 48 minutes, right below Lebron James at #12. His Player Efficiency Rating 20.9, Win Shares 8.2 - both team highs. From a pure numbers perspective, he could debatably have been our best player all season, if not our most efficient player for his role on the team (while playing in 80 games). Why was he a 8th option offensively when the other options were 1 on 1 3 point/mid range shots (27th in Assist%)?

    The argument I see is that he must continue to grow in order to become a more integral part of our system however it's high time that the system be changed and tailored more towards his skill set, starting this season. 26 minutes a game for a player that is 23 years old, outshining (at least on paper) the all-stars on the team just won't cut it if the Raptors want to improve as a team going forward and make progress in the play-offs where half court efficiency is crucial.

    TLR - Raptors need to learn to adjust their system to more efficiently suit their more efficient players.
    Last edited by Emanpop; Fri Jul 10, 2015, 06:03 AM.

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    Emanpop wrote: View Post
    This post is going to be analytics driven to show disparaging differences between statistical output and the way our system is being run.

    These are regular season stats*

    1. Jonas Valanciunas had the Raptors highest True Shooting % (.623) - which was 7th highest and an Effective Field Goal Pct of .572 which was 5th highest in the entire league. Despite this, he attempted the 8th most shots on a Raptors line up which consisted Terrence Ross, Greivis Vasquez, and Lou Williams all playing less minutes and taking more shots than him (per game) while having vastly lower TS%'s. To contrast, DeMar DeRozan took more than twice as many shots as JV while being 12th on the team in TS% - that's with all the free throws he's been to the line for.

    Furthermore, he had an Offensive Rating of 122, good for 13th in the league and a defensive rating of 105, second best to James Johnson in our line up. He was 13th in the league in Win Shares per 48 minutes, right below Lebron James at #12. His Player Efficiency Rating 20.9, Win Shares 8.2 - both team highs. From a pure numbers perspective, he could debatably have been our best player all season, if not our most efficient player for his role on the team (while playing in 80 games). Why was he a 8th option offensively when the other options were 1 on 1 3 point/mid range shots (27th in Assist%)?

    The argument I see is that he must continue to grow in order to become a more integral part of our system however it's high time that the system be changed and tailored more towards his skill set, starting this season. 26 minutes a game for a player that is 23 years old, outshining (at least on paper) the all-stars on the team just won't cut it if the Raptors want to improve as a team going forward and make progress in the play-offs where half court efficiency is crucial.

    TLR - Raptors need to learn to adjust their system to more efficiently suit their more efficient players.
    As long as DC is coach don't expect adjustments.

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    • #3
      Problem that no one seems to be mentioning.
      That's because we've talked about it so much over the last two years we've all basically given up.
      It’s Ogugua season. Time to gugua.

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      • #4
        Scraptor wrote: View Post
        That's because we've talked about it so much over the last two years we've all basically given up.
        We haven't given up, are just biding our time to restart the complaining.
        Heir, Prince of Cambridge

        If you see KeonClark in the wasteland, please share your food and water with him.

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        • #5
          people have definitely mentioned this many, many times
          "Bruno?
          Heh, if he is in the D-league still in a few years I will be surprised.
          He's terrible."

          -Superjudge, 7/23

          Hope you're wrong.

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          • #6
            Jonas, must become a two way player, JV hit a wall by mid season, after playing in the World Championships. His role is integral for the team to grow and move away from being a guard centric group.

            A more balanced offense including a double high post set, which existed two years ago would aid in the growth of the team. Pick and roll was almost entirely eliminated by the ISO chuck offensive system that was employed last year.

            More weak side movement of the ball with immediate reversal would assist and moving the ball into the high post would create more opportunities for the wings and a pin movement down low IMHO.

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            • #7
              Heatdreamer wrote: View Post
              Jonas, must become a two way player, JV hit a wall by mid season, after playing in the World Championships. His role is integral for the team to grow and move away from being a guard centric group.

              A more balanced offense including a double high post set, which existed two years ago would aid in the growth of the team. Pick and roll was almost entirely eliminated by the ISO chuck offensive system that was employed last year.

              More weak side movement of the ball with immediate reversal would assist and moving the ball into the high post would create more opportunities for the wings and a pin movement down low IMHO.
              Can't that be said about 4 of our starters last year? Maybe even all 5. He was our best defensive rebounder and played very good post defense, yes his pick and roll and help defense were weak, but our wings/guards could not contain a pylon out on the perimeter.

              I think with (hopefully) better spacing in the starting group Jonas will get a few more touches with space to work. I hope he shows an ability to kick the ball out cleanly to shooters as well as get his own.
              Twitter @WJ_FINDLAY

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              • #8
                Stats don't matter to Casey.
                Also things he sees on the court don't matter to Casey.

                The biggest thing that upsets me about this off-season is that Masai seems to be catering to Casey and building the team Casey wants, which is like buying the type of Italian marble requested by a high school art student.

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                • #9
                  The problem is JV is reluctant to shoot the ball. That's why he averages less shot attempts than players who get less minutes.

                  If he shot the ball more, he'd produce more offense, which in turn may keep him on the floor longer. I hear this is a focus for him this summer. He needs to shoot A LOT more. He has the opportunity to take open jumpers but he pump fakes.... He needs to take those wide open mid-range jump shots because he can make them.


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                  • #10
                    I feel like this might be the only thing that ever gets mentioned.
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                    • #11
                      Letter N wrote: View Post
                      Stats don't matter to Casey.
                      Also things he sees on the court don't matter to Casey.

                      The biggest thing that upsets me about this off-season is that Masai seems to be catering to Casey and building the team Casey wants, which is like buying the type of Italian marble requested by a high school art student.
                      The only moves that might cater to Casey is Wright, Powell and Biyombo. All other moves getting a SF and signing a bckup PG were neccessary and just plain luck.

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                      • #12
                        Letter N wrote: View Post
                        Stats don't matter to Casey.
                        Also things he sees on the court don't matter to Casey.

                        The biggest thing that upsets me about this off-season is that Masai seems to be catering to Casey and building the team Casey wants, which is like buying the type of Italian marble requested by a high school art student.

                        I was initially disappointed that we didn't blow it up, but I don't think that the acquisitions we've made signal that Casey is "the guy", either.
                        it may look that way but i don't think guys like Carroll and Joseph are necessarily "casey-catering" moves. These are just good 2-way players that any coach would want to have.

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                        • #13
                          The system was put in place so that the guards can get theirs and the front court can clean up their mess. JV is very efficient but if his usage ever goes up than his percentages will dip too though.

                          JV is a difficult match up because he's a traditional big.. and most teams don't have one. I'd like to see an adjustment made where if the Raptors are playing a team with a small front court that they go inside more often.. but it doesn't have to be against every team. For example against teams like Cleveland, Chicago or Houston.. it doesn't make much sense to go inside since those teams have big front courts. That just doesn't happen though. The Bucks and Celtics for example should have both been swept by the Raptors last year because neither team had an answer for JV.

                          Ultimately it all comes down to the system and more specifically Lowry&DD since they have the ball in their hands the most. If the Raptors prefer to play the ISO game then JV will never get his. And that change most likely will only occur when the Raptors get their next coach.

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                          • #14
                            JV needs more touches? WHY HASNT THIS BEEN MENTIONED BEFORE??

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                            • #15
                              KHD wrote: View Post
                              I was initially disappointed that we didn't blow it up, but I don't think that the acquisitions we've made signal that Casey is "the guy", either.
                              it may look that way but i don't think guys like Carroll and Joseph are necessarily "casey-catering" moves. These are just good 2-way players that any coach would want to have.
                              Perhaps, but literally every move has been to get defensive specialists which is Casey's "forte" (or so people keep trying to make us believe). I'll admit Carroll is a very intriguing player and if he can play to his playoff level he's a great pickup but just this whole summer has felt like Masai applying bandages to stab wounds while Casey's on the side holding the knife.

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