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  • SkywalkerAC
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    S.R. wrote: View Post
    That's exactly what you can do when there's a non-scorer on the court. The other thing you do is rotate, which is also easier when you're rotating onto a guy with no range who is not a threat outside of five feet.

    The guy took 83% of his shots last year within 5 feet of the basket and shot 60% on those. After that he can't shoot - at all. Only took a few shots 5-9 feet and shot 26%. Only made 1 shot beyond 9 feet all season.

    It doesn't make any sense, if we're talking about spacing an offensive system with four three point shooters and one C, to bring up Biyombo on a team that already has JV and Scola. Biyombo is here for defense and rebounding off the bench.
    And sometimes off the bench he's going to be playing with 4 shooters - hence 4 out and one in. Again, this was very effective with Hansbrough last season. The Warriors do something similar with Ezeli, and Bogut really.

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  • draps
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    if playing really small
    lowry
    ross
    carroll
    jj
    patterson

    jj is actually one of our best post players and is unstoppable after his first step

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  • e_wheazhy_
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    MACK11 wrote: View Post
    He cant catch
    Honestly toss the ball near the rim and teach him how to make his gigantic ass hands into another backboard

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  • DanH
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    RepTdot wrote: View Post
    Lowry is a statically better 3pt shooter than CJ so I think a JV-PP-DC-TR-KL would be the ideal 4 out 1 in combo....would actually love to see that in spurts during each game.
    Rare is the time you'll have four starters on the floor but DeMar resting. Tough to find the minutes for such a lineup.

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  • RepTdot
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    Lowry is a statically better 3pt shooter than CJ so I think a JV-PP-DC-TR-KL would be the ideal 4 out 1 in combo....would actually love to see that in spurts during each game.

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  • DanH
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    There are two 4 out 1 in configurations that could work for spurts against bench units.

    Against small bench units:

    PP-DC-TR-DD-CJ

    Where DeRozan is the guy "inside" be it through drives or post ups (which he is good at). Or against bigger bench units:

    JV-PP-DC-TR-CJ

    With JV as the guy inside obviously, either by PnR with CoJo or posting up.

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  • OldSkoolCool
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    4 out 1 in doesn't work when your shooting guard can't shoot threes

    However with the lack of PF talent I would like to see the raps run a lot of 4-1 with JV, and bebe off the bench with his passing skills

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  • S.R.
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    SkywalkerAC wrote: View Post
    Yeah, no. You can't just go trap because you've got a non-scorer on the court, especially when you've got the court spread with the other 4. Biyombo can still catch and dunk.
    That's exactly what you can do when there's a non-scorer on the court. The other thing you do is rotate, which is also easier when you're rotating onto a guy with no range who is not a threat outside of five feet.

    The guy took 83% of his shots last year within 5 feet of the basket and shot 60% on those. After that he can't shoot - at all. Only took a few shots 5-9 feet and shot 26%. Only made 1 shot beyond 9 feet all season.

    It doesn't make any sense, if we're talking about spacing an offensive system with four three point shooters and one C, to bring up Biyombo on a team that already has JV and Scola. Biyombo is here for defense and rebounding off the bench.
    Last edited by S.R.; Fri Jul 31, 2015, 10:44 AM.

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  • SkywalkerAC
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  • raptors999
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    MACK11 wrote: View Post
    He cant catch
    the dunk is iffy too

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  • MACK11
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    SkywalkerAC wrote: View Post
    Yeah, no. You can't just go trap because you've got a non-scorer on the court, especially when you've got the court spread with the other 4. Biyombo can still catch and dunk.
    He cant catch

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  • SkywalkerAC
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    raptors999 wrote: View Post
    Can't play 4-1 with a non-scoring C. Double or triple on the perimeter depending on how they cover the opposite corner. Guys would be getting trapped constantly.
    Yeah, no. You can't just go trap because you've got a non-scorer on the court, especially when you've got the court spread with the other 4. Biyombo can still catch and dunk.

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  • raptors999
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    SkywalkerAC wrote: View Post
    The one-in doesn't even have to be an interior scoring threat to be effective, as was the case with Hansbrough last season. Bebe and Biyombo can be that one-in.

    I still like the 2-PG line:
    Kyle
    Cory
    Carroll
    Patterson
    Bimombo

    ^Similar but superior to our bench squard of 14/15.
    Can't play 4-1 with a non-scoring C. Double or triple on the perimeter depending on how they cover the opposite corner. Guys would be getting trapped constantly.

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  • SkywalkerAC
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    The one-in doesn't even have to be an interior scoring threat to be effective, as was the case with Hansbrough last season. Bebe and Biyombo can be that one-in.

    I still like the 2-PG line:
    Kyle
    Cory
    Carroll
    Patterson
    Bimombo

    ^Similar but superior to our bench squard of 14/15.
    Last edited by SkywalkerAC; Thu Jul 30, 2015, 05:06 PM.

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  • RepTdot
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    if 4 out 1 in is the way we're going...its not something that's never been done before. From 07/08-10/11 SVG's Orlando Magic compiled a .677WP in that 4 out 1 in system....JV would actually have to become the key element of the offence. We are missing at least 1-2 3pt shooters to really make a 4 out 1 in system work....Dorell Wright would have to be signed to have a chance at it working.

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