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  • TrueTorontoFan
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    Primer wrote: View Post
    He's a good rebounder, but nowhere near best in the league at his position. Pau Gasol, Zach Randolph, Ed Davis, Greg Monroe, Tim Duncan, Luis Scola, Kris Humphries, and Kenneth Faried all put up better TRB% than him last year. There are also a ton of centers who play some PF that are better than him at rebounding.

    Like I said before, he's a poor mans prime Reggie Evans (prime Reggie Evans was a phenomenal rebounder, one of the best ever).
    Reggie Evans rebounded at a Dennis Rodman rate. Let that sink in for a second. A hall of fame rate.

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  • Apollo
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    Chr1s1anL, TT's stats:

    2014-2015

    Total Rebound Percentage - 47th
    Rebounds per game per 36 minutes - 54th
    Rebounds per game - 28th

    140th in PER league-wide.

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  • e_wheazhy_
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    I don't know why you guys want TT. He clearly wants the max... But he only has 1-2 skills that are useful and would make him thrive in the NBA.

    That's be like giving Demar the max...

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  • Chr1s1anL
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    Primer wrote: View Post
    He's a good rebounder, but nowhere near best in the league at his position. Pau Gasol, Zach Randolph, Ed Davis, Greg Monroe, Tim Duncan, Luis Scola, Kris Humphries, and Kenneth Faried all put up better TRB% than him last year. There are also a ton of centers who play some PF that are better than him at rebounding.

    Like I said before, he's a poor mans prime Reggie Evans (prime Reggie Evans was a phenomenal rebounder, one of the best ever).
    The guy is 24. His best basketball is a head of him.

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  • Primer
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    Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    No and yes
    He's a good rebounder, but nowhere near best in the league at his position. Pau Gasol, Zach Randolph, Ed Davis, Greg Monroe, Tim Duncan, Luis Scola, Kris Humphries, and Kenneth Faried all put up better TRB% than him last year. There are also a ton of centers who play some PF that are better than him at rebounding.

    Like I said before, he's a poor mans prime Reggie Evans (prime Reggie Evans was a phenomenal rebounder, one of the best ever).

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  • Apollo
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    Ok, why?

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  • Chr1s1anL
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    Apollo wrote: View Post
    Did you mean Cleveland?

    Would you feel this way had he been born in Memphis, Tennessee or Dallas, Texas or Phoenix, Arizona?

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    No and yes

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  • Apollo
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    Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    TT is arguably the best rebounding 4 in the league.
    Did you mean Cleveland?

    Would you feel this way had he been born in Memphis, Tennessee or Dallas, Texas or Phoenix, Arizona?

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  • mcHAPPY
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    Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    Raptors sucked at rebounding. TT is arguably the best rebounding 4 in the league. He would also fit great in Casey's defensive system with his ability to hedge and switch on the perimeter. TT has very quick feet for someone his size. His a better rebounding Amir to me.

    I think you trade for him now. Let him play at home now. Let him prove what his worth. I think his more likely to take a pay cut if his a starter a for his hometown team. Instead of taking one to back Love for the next 4 years.

    I think if he takes the QO you offer 2pat for TT straight up and maybe throw a second rounder in there too. Maybe our first in the upcoming draft(not the NYC/DEN). Weak draft no need for two picks.
    You don't seem to understand that the Raptors don't have Bird Rights after a trade when he signed QO and would need to use cap space to sign TT after such a trade (plus they gave up possibly 2 draft picks and PP????). Cap space that they, as of now, don't have.

    You could create around $11M in cap space by renouncing JJ, Scola, Ross, and De Colo.

    He would also be unrestricted. In the new CBA universe I have a feeling TT is going to get much more than $11M and the lure of playing at home is likely not going to be enough to compensate for $5+M annually.

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  • Demographic Shift
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    Could we use TT in the tdot ? He is durable. He provides way above average rebounding on both ends of the floor, average to slightly above average defense and arguably below average offense (putbacks aside). Yeah I think we could use that. I think every team in the league could use that. The hangup starts with how much to pay him for that.

    I know I am and I bet others are still trying to process how the incredible rise in the cap affects players salaries and our impressions of them as players related to those brand new huge deals they are getting or are about to get. TT as a player with less 7 years experience in the league will be eligible for a contract that STARTS at 22.5M in 2016-17 if the cap is at 90M. Kevin Durant will get either 27M with a 90M cap or 32M if the cap goes to 109M in 2017. For perspective thats almost half the salary pool in the 2014-15 year. Will that 32M make him a better player or simply raise expectations ?

    Regardless of what you think of Thompson as a player he and his agent are trying to get the most they can from a team that has him by the short n curly's for one more year. TT is willing to trade future earnings potential as the cap rises by almost 30% next year and 55% the following year for a guaranteed 5 year max deal.

    In todays terms if you think you'd be OK with giving TT 12M to play here and that would be fair.. then extrapolated against next years cap thats about 16.6M... and guess what.. thats what he wants...
    Last edited by Demographic Shift; Tue Aug 11, 2015, 10:57 PM. Reason: changing thenextrapolated to then extrapolated

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  • Primer
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    ceez wrote: View Post
    not for $90 million, no. i do like TT though and thinks he adds two things we lacked last year in rebounding and rim protection. the spacing thing is definitely a legit gripe though.

    the "he's useless without lebron" crowd should peep his actual numbers.
    TT isn't a good rim protector, he's below average (both regular season and playoffs). Don't know where you got the idea he's a good rim protector.

    http://nyloncalculus.com/stats/rim-protection/

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  • Primer
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    Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    Was just trying to show that his top rebounder at his position. Rebounding was a huge problem for us.
    Scola (6th among PF's in TRB%) is a better rebounder than TT (9th among PF's in TRB%), so we already addressed rebounding at PF. Also of note, Carroll is a much better rebounder than Ross, CoJo is a better rebounder than GV, Lou Williams was an attrocious rebounder, and Bismack Biyombo is a better rebounder than TT (18 TRB%). We have already addressed the rebounding problem on many fronts. TT gives us nothing we need and sucks ballsack on offense.

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  • ceez
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    not for $90 million, no. i do like TT though and thinks he adds two things we lacked last year in rebounding and rim protection. the spacing thing is definitely a legit gripe though.

    the "he's useless without lebron" crowd should peep his actual numbers.

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  • golden
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    Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    Was just trying to show that his top rebounder at his position. Rebounding was a huge problem for us.
    Other than an oh-so-slight advantage in offensive rebounding, Ed Davis has better stats right across the board than TT. And Davis put up stellar numbers (even advanced stats) on a crap team, whereas TT had a huge advantage of playing with superstars. Davis just signed for 3yrs @ 6.6M per year. That's the real market value of TT, relative to his on-court production.

    Even if a GM was dumb enough to overpay TT, say 50% more than Ed Davis, that would be $10M/yr. Yet TT supposedly turned down 5yrs/80M, or $16M/yr. That's just an insane asking price. Or perhaps what's really going on is that this is just another way to pay Lebron James under-the-table via Rich Paul (nudge, wink), since LBJ actually deserves more than the max.

    Then again, how much leverage does Lebron really have? It's not like he can threaten to leave Cleveland and go home to a team in Akron. Cavs should just stand firm and let TT walk next year. Catering to GM Lebron by over-paying his favorites is exactly how they screwed things up when Lebron was there first time around.
    Last edited by golden; Tue Aug 11, 2015, 03:17 PM.

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  • Chr1s1anL
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    Primer wrote: View Post
    This is from before last season so not terribly relevant, but it does show he still has all the same issues he did before last season.

    Cleveland should have given him that $40M extension, would have saved them a lot of trouble.

    I still feel like we're only talking about this guy because he's Canadian. He's a poor mans Reggie Evans.
    Was just trying to show that his top rebounder at his position. Rebounding was a huge problem for us.

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