Article: Ujiri Resting Heavily On Maintaining The Status Quo

[SkywalkerAC]

Demars caphold alone would mean shedding cujo and ppat, or ppat and ross, or cujo and 2 or 3 youngguys.

so I do not see any value in trying to add to demar by gutting the roster. Especially since demar is a high usage low efficiency player. It does not matter what you think will happen in the future, the smart play is to alway go with what you know.....and what we know is what I posted.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Losing Ross and PP in favour of keeping DeMar is "gutting the roster"?

[mcHAPPY]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Losing Ross and PP in favour of keeping DeMar is "gutting the roster"?

Ross is gone regardless on a KD signing - irrelevant.

[Axel]

DeMar (what, 12 years younger than Manu?), Jonas, Lowry/Carroll, et al.

How many players can we actually keep and still sign a max free agent though?

Seems like most scenarios point to either DD, KL or a glut of players need to go.

But even if you keep those players, what's your lineup? Carroll at the 4? DD off the bench? Plus how do you put a dollar figure on DD if his primary attribute has been replaced? Is he $20M? $15M? $12M?

Much harder to gauge his value in a completely new role.

[McRealistic]

Leting DD walk while chasing KD will be disaster for this club. We have to be realistic and know that we are NOT one of them top destinations for KD. This means that you do not put all your eggs in KD basket. You don't let a legitimate talent walk away for a very small chance that you might get someone like KD.

If KD decides to join us, you can always trade DD. In the worst case scenario, you can package him with some draft picks ( yes, you are sacrificing some late 1st round picks for that maybe) and you will be able to move him.

It makes ZERO sense to let DD walk for a remote possibility that you might get KD while you can still get KD if DD is signed as well

[Axel]

Leting DD walk while chasing KD will be disaster for this club. We have to be realistic and know that we are NOT one of them top destinations for KD. This means that you do not put all your eggs in KD basket. You don't let a legitimate talent walk away for a very small chance that you might get someone like KD.

If KD decides to join us, you can always trade DD. In the worst case scenario, you can package him with some draft picks ( yes, you are sacrificing some late 1st round picks for that maybe) and you will be able to move him.

It makes ZERO sense to let DD walk for a remote possibility that you might get KD while you can still get KD if DD is signed as well

Based on what evidence?

[planetmars]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Losing Ross and PP in favour of keeping DeMar is "gutting the roster"?

I did the cap math.. Ross would be gone with or without DD. But from a monetary point of view the Raptors would need to renounce DD and also renounce Scola, JJ, Ross and trade Biyombo (if he picks up his option).

If you prefer to keep DD's cap hold and move the bench then that's CoJo, 2Pat, Bebe with Scola, JJ, Ross and Biyombo.

Or if you prefer to move Lowry then that's Lowry, Bebe with Scola, JJ, Ross and Biyombo.

The last option would be Carroll with Wright (or Bebe or any of our picks) with Scola, JJ, Ross and Biyombo.

And if you trade Carroll/Bebe or Lowry/Bebe or CoJo/2Pat/Bebe then they can't bring back any salary (Raptor's have Bebe's team option so doesn't need to be traded).


In the CoJo/2Pat case you lose a starting PF and since Scola and Biyombo are gone backup PF's as well. That's a tough thing to replace if you were a GM.

You can in theory replace Lowry with CoJo if Lowry is moved but CoJo has to come out guns a blazing.

And Carroll is probably a better fit next to KD than DD would be.

[planetmars]

Leting DD walk while chasing KD will be disaster for this club. We have to be realistic and know that we are NOT one of them top destinations for KD. This means that you do not put all your eggs in KD basket. You don't let a legitimate talent walk away for a very small chance that you might get someone like KD.

If KD decides to join us, you can always trade DD. In the worst case scenario, you can package him with some draft picks ( yes, you are sacrificing some late 1st round picks for that maybe) and you will be able to move him.

It makes ZERO sense to let DD walk for a remote possibility that you might get KD while you can still get KD if DD is signed as well

Why would it be a disaster? He's not Chris Bosh, Vince Carter or Trace McGrady. What's he done in the playoffs for this team? His skill set is replaceable. Heck go after Joe Johnson for a year or two if KD says no. Lots of wing options in the 2016 class actually. My guess is that Batum will be plan B though.

[Wild-ling#1]

I'd (probably) take option 3 - don't scrap anyone before the offseason, try to arrange a sign and trade with OKC, continue stockpiling assets and looking for consolidating trades if that falls through, and target 2017 for free agency.

But didn't San Antonio effectively take option 2?

And didn't Sacramento take option 1 ... in spades?

[Axel]

I did the cap math.. Ross would be gone with or without DD. But from a monetary point of view the Raptors would need to renounce DD and also renounce Scola, JJ, Ross and trade Biyombo (if he picks up his option).

If you prefer to keep DD's cap hold and move the bench then that's CoJo, 2Pat, Bebe with Scola, JJ, Ross and Biyombo.

Or if you prefer to move Lowry then that's Lowry, Bebe with Scola, JJ, Ross and Biyombo.

The last option would be Carroll with Wright (or Bebe or any of our picks) with Scola, JJ, Ross and Biyombo.

And if you trade Carroll/Bebe or Lowry/Bebe or CoJo/2Pat/Bebe then they can't bring back any salary (Raptor's have Bebe's team option so doesn't need to be traded).


In the CoJo/2Pat case you lose a starting PF and since Scola and Biyombo are gone backup PF's as well. That's a tough thing to replace if you were a GM.

You can in theory replace Lowry with CoJo if Lowry is moved but CoJo has to come out guns a blazing.

And Carroll is probably a better fit next to KD than DD would be.

Awesome, thanks for doing the homework.

So I am safe to assume that you prefer Option 1 as well?

[mcHAPPY]

Leting DD walk while chasing KD will be disaster for this club. We have to be realistic and know that we are NOT one of them top destinations for KD. This means that you do not put all your eggs in KD basket. You don't let a legitimate talent walk away for a very small chance that you might get someone like KD.

If KD decides to join us, you can always trade DD. In the worst case scenario, you can package him with some draft picks ( yes, you are sacrificing some late 1st round picks for that maybe) and you will be able to move him.

It makes ZERO sense to let DD walk for a remote possibility that you might get KD while you can still get KD if DD is signed as well

DD will be just like Lou, Amir, and Bro - walking off into sunset with someone else ready to pick up the slack.

If KD joins, you renounce DD and save your draft picks. That is straight up silly. Only way you trade DD with draft picks is if it is a sign and trade with OKC.

Keeping DD with KD has been discussed at very great length. With team as currently set up, DD is the first and best option to go. Would you seriously not swap KD for DD if given opportunity?

[mcHAPPY]

Why would it be a disaster? He's not Chris Bosh, Vince Carter or Trace McGrady. What's he done in the playoffs for this team? His skill set is replaceable. Heck go after Joe Johnson for a year or two if KD says no. Lots of wing options in the 2016 class actually. My guess is that Batum will be plan B though.

Or horford.

I think Batum is plan C

[Axel]

And didn't Sacramento take option 1 ... in spades?

No, they really didn't. They made trades in hopes of landing a player, exactly what Option 1 doesn't do.

[DogeLover1234]

I'd (probably) take option 3 - don't scrap anyone before the offseason, try to arrange a sign and trade with OKC, continue stockpiling assets and looking for consolidating trades if that falls through, and target 2017 for free agency.

But didn't San Antonio effectively take option 2?

Well I don't think that San Antonio is a great example. Unless we can convince our starters to take a massive collective pay cut. We are still at a stage where we have to overpay to get role players (albeit VERY good role players) like Carroll. I don't think we have the right to ask our players to take a pay cut like that for at least another 10-12 years JV/Bruno/Wright have won multiple championships and will be at the tail ends of their careers (having player for Toronto for their whole careers). *Knocks on wood*

[SkywalkerAC]

I did the cap math.. Ross would be gone with or without DD. But from a monetary point of view the Raptors would need to renounce DD and also renounce Scola, JJ, Ross and trade Biyombo (if he picks up his option).

If you prefer to keep DD's cap hold and move the bench then that's CoJo, 2Pat, Bebe with Scola, JJ, Ross and Biyombo.

Or if you prefer to move Lowry then that's Lowry, Bebe with Scola, JJ, Ross and Biyombo.

The last option would be Carroll with Wright (or Bebe or any of our picks) with Scola, JJ, Ross and Biyombo.

And if you trade Carroll/Bebe or Lowry/Bebe or CoJo/2Pat/Bebe then they can't bring back any salary (Raptor's have Bebe's team option so doesn't need to be traded).


In the CoJo/2Pat case you lose a starting PF and since Scola and Biyombo are gone backup PF's as well. That's a tough thing to replace if you were a GM.

You can in theory replace Lowry with CoJo if Lowry is moved but CoJo has to come out guns a blazing.

And Carroll is probably a better fit next to KD than DD would be.

If that's the case, it sure looks like pursing Max cap space is a fool's errand.

[Snooch]

Well yes. I meant more in a team skill context.

Carroll's primary function is perimeter defender.

JV is the inside man (post up and boards).

Lowry distribution and perimeter shooting.

DD role on the team is scoring. That is his skill set on the team. Very easy to replace that with KD and predict the results vs predicting option 2.

wow, I just sported a semi chub thinking about it.....