Article: Ujiri Resting Heavily On Maintaining The Status Quo

[SkywalkerAC]

Any of this relating to Masai's plan/strategy for the roster?

It's almost as if we need a dedicated thread just for DeMar...

[SkywalkerAC]

Off the top of my head but Salmons and Field come to mind. Salmons can't get open anymore and Fields doesn't defend well enough to stick. Can't remember the name but a decent D guy washed out because he couldn't hit threes, want to say Cory Brewer but it isn't him but name is close. Jordan Hamilton doesnt hit enough to stick. Showing guys getting better as they get older just means guy who learn to hit threes stick. Rondo could wash out

I'm not sure how/if washing out of the league was taken into account, presumably they would be pulling down the average by peaking at younger ages. But a lot of those guys (have) hung around until their later 20s.

PS - Ronnie Brewer, fused wrist or something.

[raptors999]

Care to elaborate?

Off the top of my head but Salmons and Field come to mind. Salmons can't get open anymore and Fields doesn't defend well enough to stick. Can't remember the name but a decent D guy washed out because he couldn't hit threes, want to say Cory Brewer but it isn't him but name is close. Jordan Hamilton doesnt hit enough to stick. Showing guys getting better as they get older just means guy who learn to hit threes stick. Rondo could wash out

[SkywalkerAC]

But how many players in there late 20's early 30's are in the league if they can't shoot. Only elite D guys don't wash out when they can't get to the rim.

Care to elaborate?

[raptors999]

[QUOTE=SkywalkerAC;515020]

I thought it was pretty well accepted that 3-point shooting is a skill that tends to continue improving through players' 20s. It's not easy, it's a skill that tends to improve the more than others due to cumulative practice, probably because it's relatively easy/fun to get up shots while not being so effected by the loss of some athleticism.

Here's one statistical analysis that puts the average peak 3-point shooting age at 29:

http://www.basketballgeek.com/2009/1...-aging-on-3fg/

But how many players in there late 20's early 30's are in the league if they can't shoot. Only elite D guys don't wash out when they can't get to the rim.

[SkywalkerAC]

[QUOTE=DogeLover1234;515003]

Im sorry but you cant really say that the skill is easy to improve. First off if it was easy to improve he would have kept improving. I like the optimism but i really dont see dd ever being an average to above average three point shooter. This doesnt mean that i dont think he can be good, if he plays to his strengths and would stop taking so many hard shots.

I thought it was pretty well accepted that 3-point shooting is a skill that tends to continue improving through players' 20s. It's not easy, it's a skill that tends to improve the more than others due to cumulative practice, probably because it's relatively easy/fun to get up shots while not being so effected by the loss of some athleticism.

Here's one statistical analysis that puts the average peak 3-point shooting age at 29:

http://www.basketballgeek.com/2009/1...-aging-on-3fg/

[Wild-ling#1]

The moratorium period allows GM's (admittedly under great pressure) to hold meetings with players and contemplate various directions for a team ... simultaneously. Even we will have a lot more information then (about how the team looks generally and how DD, Bruno, T-Ross, JV and Kyle, etc. have performed).

But Masai will have more info than we do. I think he'll know what DD's expectations are going into July. The actual cap number will be out. Masai will know if the Board is willing to go into luxury tax territory, for certain players (short-term, 1st offender). After the playoffs are over, DD may be able to tell Masai if KD is seriously interested in coming here. But I don't think KD will really know until then. And certainly not on what kind of contract with what $/term structure ... and to play with whom

It can be fun to speculate. But the best decisions are typically made on full information. We won't have that info for quite some time. Some are comfortable assuming we have seen the best of DeMar. It's arguable. But they may be wrong.

I think Masai is cultivating a culture of solidarity within his organization, and creating good-will, so as to go into the 2016 and 2017 FA periods with salary range understandings and "good-faith" commitments from key players. That's what San Antonio did with such great results. .... and what Sacramento and Phoenix have not done. The Spurs playoff successes certainly helped - I know that. But that's the idea.

So. There are lots of scenarios possible. Lots. Some involve trading/releasing DeMar. And I think Masai will be prepared to move DeMar if it seems necessary. But I'm pulling for DD and Masai. If it was all about rooting for a winner - I'd just start cheering for somebody else.

[DogeLover1234]

Well Demar's cap hold is only 2.5 mill more than Lowry. You have to give up multiple pieces to get max under anyway.

I didn't say I'd rather trade them away, just that there are other well-known options. To be perfectly honest I don't know if getting max under is worthwhile unless Durant is a sure thing.

Oh i thought you were Wildling lol.

[SkywalkerAC]

Could you explain why you would rather trade them away? Also I believe you would need to trade more than just Lowry

Well Demar's cap hold is only 2.5 mill more than Lowry. You have to give up multiple pieces to get max under anyway.

I didn't say I'd rather trade them away, just that there are other well-known options. To be perfectly honest I don't know if getting max under is worthwhile unless Durant is a sure thing.

[DogeLover1234]

[QUOTE=SkywalkerAC;514998]

Why are you ignoring the improvement from his first years that it took to get his career average up to 28%? Why assume no improvement from a 26 year old on a skill that is relatively easy to improve?

Im sorry but you cant really say that the skill is easy to improve. First off if it was easy to improve he would have kept improving. I like the optimism but i really dont see dd ever being an average to above average three point shooter. This doesnt mean that i dont think he can be good, if he plays to his strengths and would stop taking so many hard shots.

[DogeLover1234]

Everyone knows the other ways to get it done - ie Lowry or Carroll.

Could you explain why you would rather trade them away? Also I believe you would need to trade more than just Lowry

[SkywalkerAC]

[QUOTE=Snooch;514994]

what are you talking about?

his career average is 28%, last season he was 28%, season before that was slightly better at 30%, season before that was again 28%.

So career average 28%
Season 4 and season 6 28%
Season 5 slightly better at 30%
Season 3 slightly worse at 26%.

Guess what....that is a 30% average.

amount of makes in a percentage form doesnt make any difference to his overall accuracy.

He makes 28% of his threes.

that is that, there is really nothing to argue after that. the amount of shots he takes has no bearing on how his percentages are going to turn out.

take his 3pters missed. (1, 47, 76, 145, 63) multiple by his percentage from 2pt range and you have that he could have scored 294 more points for this team by taking a step inside. times that by the number of ds in his name but divide by the lack of d he plays and add to that the number of tuesdays in the week and you have 42.

Why are you ignoring the improvement from his first years that it took to get his career average up to 28%? Why assume no improvement from a 26 year old on a skill that is relatively easy to improve?

[Puffer]

...having a non-shooting sg made it worse

Might as well put this in your sig, you say it so much

[SkywalkerAC]

I think that by simply saying that there are other ways to get it done, without saying one of these methods. I think everyone would appreciate it if you could expand on that to progress the conversation otherwise the conversation ends up flaming out.

Everyone knows the other ways to get it done - ie Lowry or Carroll.

[Snooch]

[QUOTE=SkywalkerAC;514992]

You are the one that is ignoring past performance/improvement. Take his 3-point makes year-by-year as I suggested (4, 5, 24, 34, 64, 25), factor in his accuracy by multiplying each by by his % from that year (.25, .096, .26, .283, .305, .284), and you get 1, .48, 6.24, 9.62, 19.52, 7.1.

Plot those numbers on a graph and I'd argue the line of best-fit indicates improvement. He moved away from the 3-ball last year, and missed quite a few games. I wouldn't bet on either reoccurring this season.

what are you talking about?

his career average is 28%, last season he was 28%, season before that was slightly better at 30%, season before that was again 28%.

So career average 28%
Season 4 and season 6 28%
Season 5 slightly better at 30%
Season 3 slightly worse at 26%.

Guess what....that is a 30% average.

amount of makes in a percentage form doesnt make any difference to his overall accuracy.

He makes 28% of his threes.

that is that, there is really nothing to argue after that. the amount of shots he takes has no bearing on how his percentages are going to turn out.

take his 3pters missed. (1, 47, 76, 145, 63) multiple by his percentage from 2pt range and you have that he could have scored 294 more points for this team by taking a step inside. times that by the number of ds in his name but divide by the lack of d he plays and add to that the number of tuesdays in the week and you have 42.