Has Casey finally learned?

[CalgaryRapsFan]

I've said it over and over again here. MONEY!!! We owe Casey $4M this year and our owners only care about MONEY! They weren't going to shell out $4M for Casey to sip cocktails on a beach somewhere and another $6-8M to bring in Thibs or whoever else. Not to mention the only exciting coaching hire all offseason was Billy Donovan. You want Scott Skiles running the show, because that was the next best guy. But to reiterate one more time since it doesn't seem to be sinking in, MONEY!!!

I completely agree that money was the likely reason for him being retained. I just think he should have been fired after last season's playoff debacle.

[slaw]

Casey isn't getting fired during the season imo. Do you know he incompetent Masai would look? The team got swept then you decide to keep the coach and fire most of the assistants. Then during the season you fire the coach? The only thing that'll happen is MU is gonna let Casey just walk at the end of the season

He's definitely safe for awhile. To me, January 9th is a key date. At that point they'll have player ~40 games and they have 5 days off. They will be through the worst of the schedule and they'll be starting a key stretch at home followed by a road trip with a bunch of winnable games. If Ujiri in-season wants to make a move that would seem to be the time.

[Letter N]

The media would have been calling for Masai's head if he had fired Casey after our winningest season ever and taking a vet loaded Brooklyn team to 7 games. It's like you guys forgot how fucking terrible we were before Masai took over. There was a huge upswing in fan interest in the Raptors after that season and playoff run, Rogers-Bell weren't going to let Masai fire the coach that got us there. We may have known if was fools gold, but we're a few dozen people on an internet forum, we don't really matter. Now that Casey has regressed back to the norm and the excitement over making the playoffs after a long drought have faded, Casey can be let go without repercussion. It wasn't a loyalty thing, it was a logic thing. If he had fired Casey and the new coach struggled with our talent limited roster, they'd be calling Masai an idiot and trying to get him fired. Short memory on you guys.

Who cares what the media would have done. He's supposed to be the guy that sees the problems, the same problems we on this site as no nothing fans were pointing out.

Did GSW care what the media would say when they fired Mark Jackson?

[Primer]

Who cares what the media would have done. He's supposed to be the guy that sees the problems, the same problems we on this site as no nothing fans were pointing out.

Did GSW care what the media would say when they fired Mark Jackson?

The media and fans wanted Jackson gone. He was widely regarded as not a good coach, hence no coaching jobs since his firing. The consensus was that he was holding the team back, not that he had taken them to new heights (Casey's reception at the time).

[Letter N]

The media and fans wanted Jackson gone. He was widely regarded as not a good coach, hence no coaching jobs since his firing. The consensus was that he was holding the team back, not that he had taken them to new heights (Casey's reception at the time).

I understand what you're saying but you hire guys like Masai and Leiweke for bold moves, not to be scared of the media's backlash.

[white men can't jump]

He's definitely safe for awhile. To me, January 9th is a key date. At that point they'll have player ~40 games and they have 5 days off. They will be through the worst of the schedule and they'll be starting a key stretch at home followed by a road trip with a bunch of winnable games. If Ujiri in-season wants to make a move that would seem to be the time.

Sounds sensible. Can't fire them too early with good justification. Can't fire them too late, especially with a team that's likely playoff bound.

[Primer]

I understand what you're saying but you hire guys like Masai and Leiweke for bold moves, not to be scared of the media's backlash.

You don't wanna be so bold as to alienate your fanbase, which firing Casey at that time would have done. Masai would have been putting his own neck in the noose and hoping whatever new coach he hired was good enough to keep the rope from strangling him. He will have a lot more leeway now to do what he thinks needs to be done since everyone has had a taste of the playoffs and seen that we need better to go further.

Casey is starting to enter the Mark Jackson zone of "this coach is holding us back".

[raptors999]

The media would have been calling for Masai's head if he had fired Casey after our winningest season ever and taking a vet loaded Brooklyn team to 7 games. It's like you guys forgot how fucking terrible we were before Masai took over. There was a huge upswing in fan interest in the Raptors after that season and playoff run, Rogers-Bell weren't going to let Masai fire the coach that got us there. We may have known if was fools gold, but we're a few dozen people on an internet forum, we don't really matter. Now that Casey has regressed back to the norm and the excitement over making the playoffs after a long drought have faded, Casey can be let go without repercussion. It wasn't a loyalty thing, it was a logic thing. If he had fired Casey and the new coach struggled with our talent limited roster, they'd be calling Masai an idiot and trying to get him fired. Short memory on you guys.

Jays just booted the exec of the year and heads aren't rolling. Nobody gives a shit about Casey

[Primer]

Jays just booted the exec of the year and heads aren't rolling. Nobody gives a shit about Casey

Jays didn't boot him, he rejected a 5 year extension, the exact opposite of booting him, they wanted him back. He's also not the GM. If the Cubs fired Maddon right now they'd be rioting in the streets in Chicago, fans were desperate for playoff relevance and he got them there.

[raptors999]

Jays didn't boot him, he rejected a 5 year extension, the exact opposite of booting him, they wanted him back. He's also not the GM. If the Cubs fired Maddon right now they'd be rioting in the streets in Chicago, fans were desperate for playoff relevance and he got them there.

They made no effort to retain him. Hiring Shapiro meant AA was gone.Maddons a good manager, his team do better then expected by playing well and hard. Casey is just awful, he is the worst coach in the NBA presently.

[Primer]

They made no effort to retain him. Hiring Shapiro meant AA was gone.Maddons a good manager, his team do better then expected by playing well and hard. Casey is just awful, he is the worst coach in the NBA presently.

They offered him a 5 year extension, how the fuck does that not qualify as an effort to retain him?

[CalgaryRapsFan]

I believe there's a Blue Jays thread in one other the other sub-forums...

[raptors999]

They offered him a 5 year extension, how the fuck does that not qualify as an effort to retain him?

But Shapiro is the GM. its like offering Casey a 4 year extension to be an assistant. Either way AA is gone and nobody cares. There wouldn't be a peep if MU fired Casey by the media then or now.

[Nilanka]

They offered him a 5 year extension, how the fuck does that not qualify as an effort to retain him?

Rumour has it the 5-year offer was only made AFTER Anthopoulous balked at the original 1-2 year offer.

But to tie this back to the Raptors, I agree that it would've looked bad if Casey was axed following the Brooklyn series, and less so after the Washington series.

But I don't think anyone would bat an eye if it happened anytime between now and this summer.

[raptors999]

Rumour has it the 5-year offer was only made AFTER Anthopoulous balked at the original 1-2 year offer.

But to tie this back to the Raptors, I agree that it would've looked bad if Casey was axed following the Brooklyn series, and less so after the Washington series.

But I don't think anyone would bat an eye if it happened anytime between now and this summer.

Dont think Casey would be shocked