Preseason Game 4: Minnesota Timberpups at Toronto Raptors - Mon Oct 12, 7:30pm ET

[Scraptor]

First game of a home and home series with a young squad loaded with potential and athleticism. Should be really fun!



Projected starters:















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[DanH]

Will be fun to see Wiggins play.

Here's hoping for a little offence to be put in.

[Puffer]

It's certainly time in the preseason for a real offence to start making it's appearance. I really want to get an idea of how Carroll is going to be used, and hope to see how his game affects JV's game. Looking at the starters, Casey actually will have quite a balancing act if he wants to extract the maximum from each guy.

I think the second unit is already a good fit. Looking forward to the game.

[007]

Should be fun. Want to see Bruno on Wiggins.

[consmap]

Finally get to watch a game in its entirety! Can't wait.

[Cody73]

Going to be fun..... radio for me though. Not wanting to stream if not needed.

[mjt20mik]

Gonna be courtside for this game.. hopefully they give wiggy minutes

[stretch]

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/...andrew-wiggins

I am surprised that Wiggins does not project to greater wins above replacement on this fivethirtyeight comparison data base. As far as defensive abilities being interpreted through +/- stats used in this chart, Wiggins rates as a very poor defender.

Fellow 2nd year player Elfrid Payton projects out much higher overall in this case than Wiggins.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/...#elfrid-payton

[raptors999]

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/...andrew-wiggins

I am surprised that Wiggins does not project to greater wins above replacement on this fivethirtyeight comparison data base. As far as defensive abilities being interpreted through +/- stats used in this chart, Wiggins rates as a very poor defender.

Fellow 2nd year player Elfrid Payton projects out much higher overall in this case than Wiggins.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/...#elfrid-payton

Thought rookies always under perform then make a significant jump years 2-3 sometimes 4. Even Lebron didn't project great just based on numbers rookie year

[Scraptor]

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/...andrew-wiggins

I am surprised that Wiggins does not project to greater wins above replacement on this fivethirtyeight comparison data base. As far as defensive abilities being interpreted through +/- stats used in this chart, Wiggins rates as a very poor defender.

Fellow 2nd year player Elfrid Payton projects out much higher overall in this case than Wiggins.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/...#elfrid-payton

When it comes to sports, 538 is garbage... there isn't enough context to their numbers or rigor to their analysis. After a couple of months last year, they declared:

"Forget The Next LeBron, Andrew Wiggins May Not Be The Next James Posey"

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/a...-lebron-james/

Lol.

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When it comes to sports, 538 is garbage... there isn't enough context to their numbers or rigor to their analysis. After a couple of months last year, they declared:

"Forget The Next LeBron, Andrew Wiggins May Not Be The Next James Posey"

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/a...-lebron-james/

Lol.

fivethirtyeight is owned by ESPN.

[Machine]

What channel is this on?

[Machine]

Nvm I see it is nbatv

[SkywalkerAC]

Expect a better shooting night from DeMar tonight.

[MACK11]

fivethirtyeight is owned by ESPN.

and ESPN is garbage

what your point here?